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[Gary]

Ok, I'm now offically confused..

 

To date I have been mostly getting to grips with the flight model and firing basics. Now at the point that I feel comfortable flying, shooting and landing consistantly.

 

I decided it was time to read up and practice navigation skills so I created a very basic mission with just the 4 waypoints.

 

Waypoint 1 is the take off airfield

Waypoint 2+3 are on route points, and

Waypoint 4 landing airfield

 

Whilst I appreciate not probably correct procedure (PVI has other options for setting airfield options I know) I thought it would be a good starting mission.

 

Trouble is, when setting waypoint 1 on the PVI unit (whilst in pre flight checks) its actually giving me information (distance etc) in the other instruments (ABRIS, HSI) to the next waypoint....i.e. wp 2 on the ABRIS

 

Basically the PVI waypoint number selected relates to another waypoint number in the ABRIS

 

I'm sure there must be a really simple explanation (possibly related to the fact im setting waypoint 1 as a starting waypoint at base?)

 

I have RTFM several times but just cant find the answer to what I'm doing wrong. (also watched producers notes again)

 

Any help available please?

 

Kind Regards,

 

Gary

Edited December 6, 2008 by Gary

[GGTharos]

I believe in this case the 'waypoint 1' that you're trying to look at in the PVI will be activated by pressing the 'Airfield', not the 'Waypoint' button.

 

So click 'Airfield' and 1. If your landing airport is the same, I believe you'll have nothing set up as 'Airfield 2'.

[Maverick-GER-]

GGtharos you are right, but it depends on the mission editor! Normally you can choose for waypoints (at the bottom) as what waypoint it should show up on the pvi.

Generally it is like Wp1 = start from parking = airfield 1, waypoint 2 = turning point = pvi waypoint 1

waypoint 3 = turning point = pvi waypoint 2

and so on

 

And never forget pvi and abris are not connected...

Edited December 6, 2008 by Maverick-GER-

[Tartan_Piper]

Doesnt it depend on the mission editor? normally you can choose for waypoints (at the bottom) as what waypoint it should show up on the pvi.

Generally it is like Wp1 = start from parking, waypoint 2 = turning point = pvi navpoint 1

waypoint 3 = turning point = pvi navpoint 2

and so on

 

Basically waypoint 1 will be the first waypoint after your take off point. To select your Take off/landing points you need to be in the Airfields PVI mode.

[Gary]

I believe in this case the 'waypoint 1' that you're trying to look at in the PVI will be activated by pressing the 'Airfield', not the 'Waypoint' button.

 

So click 'Airfield' and 1. If your landing airport is the same, I believe you'll have nothing set up as 'Airfield 2'.

 

So basically waypoints set up at airfields are accessed on the pvi by selecting airfield button first and waypoints on land are accessed by pressing the waypoint button on the pvi?

 

Thanks for the help

 

Regards,

 

Gary

[GGTharos]

If I recall correctly, yes :)

ABRIS and PVI have different conceptual notions of what each saved coordinate means specifically.

[Gary]

Basically waypoint 1 will be the first waypoint after your take off point. To select your Take off/landing points you need to be in the Airfields PVI mode.

 

Thats exactly what I mean....The PVI says waypoint 1 but the Instruments (ABRIS and HSI) are showing information for waypoint 2 (as you say, the next waypoint after takeoff)

 

So the PVI is showing wp 1 and the ABRIS is showing wp 0002

 

Are you saying this is correct way to use the PVI and ABRIS...(numbers will always differ by 1?)

 

Thanks for the quick replies guys

 

Regards,

 

Gary

[Gary]

If I recall correctly, yes :)

ABRIS and PVI have different conceptual notions of what each saved coordinate means specifically.

 

Thank you for your prompt help and support...its appreciated..

 

Regards,

 

Gary

[Maverick-GER-]

Basically waypoint 1 will be the first waypoint after your take off point. To select your Take off/landing points you need to be in the Airfields PVI mode.

 

That's exactly what i written...

only mistake i made is that i thought you can change that in mission editor because you got the extra line for PVI waypoint...

Anyhow just tried it out and you can't change it in ME =)

[Tartan_Piper]

Thats exactly what I mean....The PVI says waypoint 1 but the Instruments (ABRIS and HSI) are showing information for waypoint 2 (as you say, the next waypoint after takeoff)

 

So the PVI is showing wp 1 and the ABRIS is showing wp 0002

 

Are you saying this is correct way to use the PVI and ABRIS...(numbers will always differ by 1?)

 

Thanks for the quick replies guys

 

Regards,

 

Gary

 

The PVI and the ABRIS are completely indapendent from each other and will show different WP numbers. You are correct WP1 on the PVI will show as WP2 on the ABRIS. The ABRIS counts your takeoff point as WP1 but the PVI counts this as an airfield point.

 

The PVI point that is selected will show on the left forward panel HSI if you are in auto mode. The ABRIS is not connected to the left forward panel HSI in anyway, it has its own HSI.

Edited December 6, 2008 by Tartan_Piper

[Tartan_Piper]

That's exactly what i written...

only mistake i made is that i thought you can change that in mission editor because you got the extra line for PVI waypoint...

Anyhow just tried it out and you can't change it in ME =)

 

I meant to quote the first post not yours Mavrick, sry. I was just trying to put what you wrote it in simple terms. :)

[Gary]

Gentlemen,

 

My sincere thanks for your quick and helpful replies....much appreciated.

 

Final observation....

 

From what I have read so far, I think it is possible to align ABRIS waypoint data with the PVI data with the prepare mission option but dont understand it anywhere enough to be sure about that....

 

Regards,

 

Gary

[Maverick-GER-]

Well to do that you would have to set your pvi waypoints manually with coordinates ( and delete the old waypoints in PVI first).

But anyhow why would you wanna do this?

You got your Airfields in the airfield mode of the pvi and your flight waypoints in the waypoints mode of your PVI which i think is pretty nice...

[Tartan_Piper]

Gentlemen,

 

My sincere thanks for your quick and helpful replies....much appreciated.

 

Final observation....

 

From what I have read so far, I think it is possible to align ABRIS waypoint data with the PVI data with the prepare mission option but dont understand it anywhere enough to be sure about that....

 

Regards,

 

Gary

 

 

Yeah this is possible. If you are creating an ABRIS flight plan in mission you just place the first WP in the same place as PVI WP1 and not at your airfield. I find it easier to just leave it as it is really.

[Maverick-GER-]

In my opinion you should pay more attention to the pvi waypoints anyhow since route mode or anything like that relies on the pvi anyhow not on the abris...

For me personally the abris is only "visual reference" or something like that...

[Tartan_Piper]

In my opinion you should pay more attention to the pvi waypoints anyhow since route mode or anything like that relies on the pvi anyhow not on the abris...

For me personally the abris is only "visual reference" or something like that...

 

Completely agree. :beer:

[Maverick-GER-]

hehe totally forgot about your way... so to put that together in one post again....

 

If you really want your abris flightplan to match exactly the pvi waypoints you can either:

Set up a new Abris Flightplan along the PVi waypoints like tartan described it above, or you delete your pvi waypoints and set them up new by entering the waypoint coordinates manually into your pvi and save them as waypoints.

 

Cheers Tartan =)

[Gary]

hehe totally forgot about your way... so to put that together in one post again....

 

If you really want your abris flightplan to match exactly the pvi waypoints you can either:

Set up a new Abris Flightplan along the PVi waypoints like tartan described it above, or you delete your pvi waypoints and set them up new by entering the waypoint coordinates manually into your pvi and save them as waypoints.

 

Cheers Tartan =)

 

I'm happy to use it as is, so to speak. I'm not good with manual work!..lol

 

So what does the "prepare mission" option do then?

 

Regards,

 

Gary

[Maverick-GER-]

Without going too much into detail now here a quote out of the GUI manual:

PREPARE MISSION. The PREPARE MISSION mode is used for integrating navigation and environment data into the saved mission file. When near the end of creating a mission, you can start the mission in the PREPARE MISSION mode (it will look much like usual FLY MISSION start) and create ABRIS data such as routes, navigation, target points, and drawing line objects. After completing ABRIS data input, you should save all the data to the virtual ABRIS hard disk as described in the Ka-50 flight manual. You should then exit from the mission and press the SAVE button in the ME to save all the prepared ABRIS data in the mission. With this data in the mission file (mission files are actually .ZIP files) the file will appear in the ABRIS\Database\ folder which consists of three files: ADDITIONAL.lua, NAVGATION.lua, and ROUTES.lua. You may open a .miz file with a program such as winzip. Additionally, using this procedure you can save ADF mission file data (beacon preset frequencies) in the \Scripts\Aircrafts\ka-50\Cockpit\Devices_specs\ARK.lua file. You can also set the GPS/GLONASS satellites constellation in the \Scripts\World\GPS_GNSS.lua file. If you wish to save custom beacons and satellite constellations in the mission, you must edit the proper files before entering PREPARE MISSION mode. For example, you can unzip the quick start mission and see this file structure.

[Shepski]

To avoid all confusion, think of the PVI WP mode as being the "enroute" mode.

 

You can edit both the ABRIS and the PVI to create a new flight plan while in game. For example, you start the mission but don't want to follow the included flight plan. Simply use the ABRIS ERBL/Marker mode and create a marker on the map where you want a WP. Then use the INFO and TO buttons to create a direct flight to that point. Then use the PVI EDIT mode to edit PVI WP1 and enter the LAT/LONG of the new WP you made in the ABRIS{for the game you will always use the +(0 key) for both LAT(N) and LONG(E)}. Go back to the PVI OPERATE mode and now PVI WP1 will be to the WP you created on the ABRIS with full autopilot coupling.