Voice commands trigger unwanted F10 menu options

[Jayhawk1971]

For quite some time now, Vaicom occasionally executes the wrong  commands when prompted. 

Here's the most recent example:

6:09:17.848 TX6 | AUX: [   ] ,  [ Perform Start Procedure ]   
6:09:17.842 Recognized : 'startup'
6:09:10.171 TX6 | AUX: [ F10 Menu ] ,  [ Perform Start Procedure ]   
6:09:10.158 Recognized : 'startup'
 

Note that the first time I tried, it seemed to have executed an F10 menu command, resulting in "mission accomplished" message in Fear the Bones (there's a "skip mission" F10 menu option in that campaign). The same also occasionally happens when I give the navigate steerpoint (usually "steerpoint two") command, in both "Fear the Bones" and "Zone 5"). Which is somewhat annoying when playing a SP campaign. Trying again, the same command worked as it is supposed to.

Why does it do that, and how can this behavior be corrected/ stopped?

Edited February 7, 2022 by Jayhawk1971

[MAXsenna]

Never seen that before. I have never even seen VAICOM bring up the menu unless I say "Options" while keeping a TX pressed. 

Have you many imported menu commands? Maybe database is corrupt.  

[Jayhawk1971]

Hi Max,

it doesn't even (visually) bring up the menu. I just get the "mission accomplished" message. The command somehow must work in the background.

I don't really have many custom commands (that I know of ). One to access more obscure Tomcat waypoints ("Defense Point") that didn't make it into AIRIO, and added that a year ago, because I needed it for the Zone 5 campaign. The problem I described surfaced around November/December or so.

Also weird that it only happens occasionally. 

I do get a lot of "phantom commands" lately, apparently triggered when breathing too loud through the nose (VR headset and the built in mics are nose-adjacent  ).  Vaicom either recognizes "south" (whatever that even means) and "Navigate Steerpoint 2". Do you think it might be possible that two commands somehow interfere with each other, resulting in something completely different?

Is there a way to check the database integrity in Voice Command? I have no desire to completely start over from scratch. 

BTW, and this should have been mentioned a long time ago, thank you for taking the time to always try to help out with Vaicom problems! I assume I speak for everyone here that your effort is much appreciated. 

 

[MAXsenna]

21 hours ago, Jayhawk1971 said:

Hi Max,

it doesn't even (visually) bring up the menu. I just get the "mission accomplished" message. The command somehow must work in the background.

I don't really have many custom commands (that I know of ). One to access more obscure Tomcat waypoints ("Defense Point") that didn't make it into AIRIO, and added that a year ago, because I needed it for the Zone 5 campaign. The problem I described surfaced around November/December or so.

Also weird that it only happens occasionally. 

I do get a lot of "phantom commands" lately, apparently triggered when breathing too loud through the nose (VR headset and the built in mics are nose-adjacent  ).  Vaicom either recognizes "south" (whatever that even means) and "Navigate Steerpoint 2". Do you think it might be possible that two commands somehow interfere with each other, resulting in something completely different?

Is there a way to check the database integrity in Voice Command? I have no desire to completely start over from scratch. 

BTW, and this should have been mentioned a long time ago, thank you for taking the time to always try to help out with Vaicom problems! I assume I speak for everyone here that your effort is much appreciated. 

 

I see now, that I should have structured this with multi quotes. Hehe

 

Well, this is really weird.
But first of all. As you might know already, VAICOM does not "recognize" anything. VAICOM uses VoiceAttack as a gateway to the Microsoft Speech Recognition engine included with Windows. More on that later, sorry for the long text, I'm just thinking out loud.

Hmm, I'm not talking about custom commands you might have made, but rather imported commands from missions?

They will show up in the database like this

IF for some reason these commands are invoked directly, the menu won't show, and they will just be executed in the background.
Notice the "Skip mission". Did you see this in the VoiceAttack log?

Apologies if you already know what's in the next part.
VoiceAttack records "noise" which it passes to MS Speech Recognition, which then MS Speech tries to interpret as voice, and then tries to make sense of and turn it into text. Which then is returned back to VoiceAttack. VoiceAttack then looks through all the commands in the profile for matches, (The "Keywords" in this case is ONE command, and the reason you shouldn't add your own commands to the VAICOM profile, but rather have them in their own profile, which then get's added to the VAICOM one), if there is a match, it's passed to the plugin and VAICOM sends it to DCS. If there are no matches, VA checks through the profiles that are added to the current profile, and then global defined profiles. If there are any matches those matches are triggered as VoiceAttack actions, keyboard etc. and passed to the app, or passed to other plugins like Spotify etc. Use your imagination here.

Anyway, it seems that commands might interfere with each other, or that you have open mic enabled, but it's strange that whole commands should be incorrectly interpreted, unless the mike pics up other speech. Unrecognized below just means "unmatched command".
In any case, it should be clearly shown in the log. You have debug on, right? 

Integrity of the database, can sort of the checked. At least if the keywords matched the profile. IF you DON'T use VSPX.

 

Thank you for your kind words! We're all happy to help here!
Cheers!

 

[Jayhawk1971]

Hi,

thanks for the detailed reply.

Yes, I do have "Action Skip MIssion" (and others, like "skip AAR" and "skip to push time", presumably from "Raven 1" and the Viper Red Flag Campaign) in my keyword list. I did not have debug mode on, until now. Next time I play and it happens, I now have a detailed log to check what's being picked up and executed. 

I do use VSPX.

I wonder whether I could simply delete the command phrases in question? 

It's weird that Voice Attack recognizes the correct command, but the wrong action is being executed, but only the first time. When I repeat the same command, the correct action is being triggered. It's not even consistently triggering the wrong action. 

Also weird that this wasn't a problem until relatively recently, long after I've installed Raven 1,  Zone 5 and Fear the Bones, yet before I purchased Bunyap's Red Flag Campaign. 

My Voice Attack/ Vaicom problems (TACAN tuning problems, the above, and the "ghost commands") all started around the same time, and if I am not mistaken they might have been introduced with the November 18, 2021 patch. But who knows. So many variables, and for someone with no previous experience with VoiceAttack, a bit overwhelming.

[MAXsenna]

36 minutes ago, Jayhawk1971 said:

Hi,

thanks for the detailed reply.

Yes, I do have "Action Skip MIssion" (and others, like "skip AAR" and "skip to push time", presumably from "Raven 1" and the Viper Red Flag Campaign) in my keyword list. I did not have debug mode on, until now. Next time I play and it happens, I now have a detailed log to check what's being picked up and executed. 

Great!

36 minutes ago, Jayhawk1971 said:

I do use VSPX.

I wonder whether I could simply delete the command phrases in question? 

I have too.
Yes, just delete the commands from the editor, and turn off "Import Menu Items".
I find that importing commands, is better for special missions you will play repeatedly or MP missions.

36 minutes ago, Jayhawk1971 said:

It's weird that Voice Attack recognizes the correct command, but the wrong action is being executed, but only the first time. When I repeat the same command, the correct action is being triggered. It's not even consistently triggering the wrong action. 

Also weird that this wasn't a problem until relatively recently, long after I've installed Raven 1,  Zone 5 and Fear the Bones, yet before I purchased Bunyap's Red Flag Campaign. 

My Voice Attack/ Vaicom problems (TACAN tuning problems, the above, and the "ghost commands") all started around the same time, and if I am not mistaken they might have been introduced with the November 18, 2021 patch. But who knows. So many variables, and for someone with no previous experience with VoiceAttack, a bit overwhelming.

Yeah, I haven't seen this. And I'm not sure how the "commands" are assigned different IDs in the Mission Editor, and if for some reason they might be duplicated and have a potential conflict. Will test some of this in some campaigns that have the same command in several missions.

Hehe, VA/VAICOM was overwhelming for me as well!
Chers!