Recluse Posted July 16, 2022 Posted July 16, 2022 Apologies for a potential FAQ, but I couldn't find much in a search or in the Manual or Chuck's Guide relating to this other than this one post - Can someone refresh my memory on the AIMPOINT logic for multiple dumb bomb drops in CCIP/AUTO deliveries. I believe I remember reading that it was different depending on whether an ODD or EVEN number of bombs was dropped. (But maybe that was in the Harrier forum section) My recollection (and the statement in the linked post) was that with an ODD Number of bombs, the AImpoint (CCIP or AUTO?) was the CENTER of the drop, so, if you dropped 5 bombs, the AImpoint was going to be the 3rd BOMB target and two bombs would fall before and after based on the interval, so if 100 foot spacing, BOMB 1 is 200 feet before the target, BOMB 2 is 100 feet before the Target, Bomb 3 is on Target, Bomb 4 is 100 feet beyond, Bomb 2 is 200 feet beyond. I thought that for EVEN number of drops, Bomb 1 was on the Target point, and the next ones were all spaced after the target. I may have gotten this hopelessly reversed. Can someone clarify the Aimpoint logic for me? (Point of AIM vs. Centroid of mulitple release) - Different with ODD or Even? - Different CCIP vs AUTO? Thanks in advance!!
rob10 Posted July 16, 2022 Posted July 16, 2022 In the F-18 with dumb bombs, the AIMPOINT is going to be where the CENTRE of the multiple bombs will theoretically land for BOTH even and odd -- no diff's for even vs odd or CCIP vs AUTO. Keeps it simple 1 2
maxTRX Posted July 16, 2022 Posted July 16, 2022 Can I piggyback my loosely related question to all this? Is there a safety delay (1 sec ?) when pressing the pickle button in CCIP? In AUTO we obviously have to hold it pressed in, usually more then a second before the release cue creeps down, that's cool... and safe. In CCIP, the release seems to be immediate. When the cue comes up, the pickle button has to be pressed quick and timed perfectly. Well... there are other things we currently also have to deal with but those have been discussed numerous times.
Recluse Posted July 16, 2022 Author Posted July 16, 2022 (edited) 45 minutes ago, rob10 said: In the F-18 with dumb bombs, the AIMPOINT is going to be where the CENTRE of the multiple bombs will theoretically land for BOTH even and odd -- no diff's for even vs odd or CCIP vs AUTO. Keeps it simple Thanks Rob! Appreciate the info! I see you provided it on that thread I referenced as well 18 minutes ago, oldcrusty said: Can I piggyback my loosely related question to all this? Is there a safety delay (1 sec ?) when pressing the pickle button in CCIP? In AUTO we obviously have to hold it pressed in, usually more then a second before the release cue creeps down, that's cool... and safe. In CCIP, the release seems to be immediate. When the cue comes up, the pickle button has to be pressed quick and timed perfectly. Well... there are other things we currently also have to deal with but those have been discussed numerous times. I have never noticed any Safety/Arming delay. The point of CCIP is to PUT THE THING ON THE THING and PICKLE. Even in AUTO, the delay is due to the computer waiting for the calculated release point. If you happened to hit the PICKLE at the instant the Release Cue crossed the Velocity Vector, it would release instantly as well. Edited July 16, 2022 by Recluse
maxTRX Posted July 16, 2022 Posted July 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Recluse said: Thanks Rob! Appreciate the info! I see you provided it on that thread I referenced as well I have never noticed any Safety/Arming delay. The point of CCIP is to PUT THE THING ON THE THING and PICKLE. Even in AUTO, the delay is due to the computer waiting for the calculated release point. If you happened to hit the PICKLE at the instant the Release Cue crossed the Velocity Vector, it would release instantly as well. Well, most of the time the 'thing' drops where the other 'thing' is, Anyways, a delay of .5 or 1 sec would be easy to implement if this was really a 'thing' in the real jet. The reticle/cross would already be calculated with release delay. So... it's still a pickle AND HOLD (you might be dropping more then one bomb) when 'thing is over a thing' but the release program would do its own 'thing'. Same as calculating the impact point in the center of the bomb salvo.
Frederf Posted July 17, 2022 Posted July 17, 2022 Middle of bomb pattern = aimpoint, true in all computed delivery methods. No delay for CCIP release. Well there are a few milliseconds due to the rack operation but the airplane knows that (plus custom adjustment since mechanisms vary) so the pipper represents this tiny machine delay into the future. The goal is for the absolute minimum amount of time between button press and bomb a way. The weapon consent button needs to be held for every bomb release so lifting early will halt the release sequence before completion.
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