What are good SD-10, and LD-10 launch parameters.

[Mike_Romeo]

4 hours ago, cmbaviator said:

is that written in the chuck's guide ?

 

4 hours ago, cmbaviator said:

Do you guys know how much more Km we can launch from the cue ?

That depends on many factors and there is no clear answer to that.

 

4 hours ago, cmbaviator said:

for example, the max range is at 25Km, can we launch it at 30km when lofting for example ?

Yes we can.

[Napillo]

5 hours ago, cmbaviator said:

Do you guys know how much more Km we can launch from the cue ?

 

depends on the amount of loft and other factors, I don't think you'll get much of an acceptable answer here. If it's showing at maximum range, that's actually around 80% max range, and so if you loft, that makes it less than that 80%, meaning a more likely hit.

[AeriaGloria]

13 hours ago, cmbaviator said:

regarding the Max range cue for the SD_10, some says its underestimated especially of you loft it. Do you guys know how much more Km we can launch from the cue ?

 

for example, the max range is at 25Km, can we launch it at 30km when lofting for example ?

I would guess 15-20% increase but that’s still pushing it. You have to remember the effectiveness of lofting increases the faster and higher you are. Down low at subsonic speed lofting won’t do much for you. I mean the official max range is like 36 nm, but you can make shots over 50 nm easily provided the enemy can’t maneuver much and you can get lock. I’ve had the DLZ show me max range over 40 nm before. 
 

I don’t think there’s much anything wrong with the DLZ, I’ve always trusted and get good results. It’s conservative for a reason. Yeah maybe it doesn’t consider lofting, but I don’t think you want to think “I can shoot farther by loft” rather then “do I want this missile to go high and slow so that it can fly a little farther and have range/energy to attack a beaming/maneuvering target (but have a radar look down penalty)” or “do I want to not loft the missile so it gets there faster, makes the enemy defensive earlier, and has less look down penalty (but sacrifice range/energy if target manuevers early as well as some total range.)”

The closer you are, the less you gain from loft. I believe loft can’t be activated closer then 18 km, but closer then NEZ at around 20-25 nm I don’t think lofting has much use if you have good head on shot speed and altitude. 
 

Im sure some will think I do not place high enough value on lifting, it is just not always the best choice, especially if you think your enemy might be good at notching/chaffing the missile and you can give the missile an edge by making it look down less, and when within NEZ where it will have plenty 

13 hours ago, cmbaviator said:

is that written in the chuck's guide ?

No, Deka has stated it before. makes it a powerful tool, no one but a SPO-15/KJ-600 user will know that Mach 4 missile is at half the range of normal pitbul when it turns on its seeker……. 

 

[cmbaviator]

thanks for you input.

 

Yesterday, i spotted a F14 around 45 Nm from me roughtly at Angel 27, i was scared that he would launched a Phoenix at me, so i climbed with AB on to FL300 as fast as i could. I launched a SD-10 at 35Nm wit loft and started cranking until it goes pitbull, shortly after i launched the missile he went down the deck and ddint even fired at phoenix at me for me some reason and was still heading hot just flying over the trees, the missile was comming down on a very steep angle and got him. I was still surprised why he didn't make evasive maneuvers as me must be hearing the missile warning messages for dozen of seconds, maybe he didn't know that the missile was comming from above on a steep angle ? I need to post the tacview here.

 

Initially i monitored the missle with the F6 view and i though that the missile was lost as it was still comming down on a steep angle without needing to make steering correction, then i saw it explosed the F14 that was flying very low slightly above the trees. It was on a PvP server

[Mike_Romeo]

9 hours ago, cmbaviator said:

me must be hearing the missile warning messages for dozen of seconds

He most likely didnt. There are RWR blindspots 45° above and below for every aircraft in dcs.

[Napillo]

2 minutes ago, Mike_Romeo said:

There are RWR blindspots 45° above and below

yep, that's why those long shots with loft are wonderful

[cmbaviator]

Well i'm just a DCS noob and i can't believe i was able to dodge so many misisles get lots of kill on the 4YA PvP serveer, granted player on those server are less skilled than on the GS server.

The SD-10 at medium and high altitude + loft is amazingly good, got lots of lang range kill. I'm pretty surprised that even the SD-10 look down performance doesnt seen so bad. got a couple of kills where the ennemies went straight for the deck but the SD-10 even from a steep angle was still able to track and Hit

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[Tiger-II]

3 hours ago, cmbaviator said:

Well i'm just a DCS noob and i can't believe i was able to dodge so many misisles get lots of kill on the 4YA PvP serveer, granted player on those server are less skilled than on the GS server.

The SD-10 at medium and high altitude + loft is amazingly good, got lots of lang range kill. I'm pretty surprised that even the SD-10 look down performance doesnt seen so bad. got a couple of kills where the ennemies went straight for the deck but the SD-10 even from a steep angle was still able to track and Hit

Nice going!

[Napillo]

4 hours ago, cmbaviator said:

i was able to dodge so many misisles

yep, that's the great thing about the JF-17, you have better situational awareness than almost any plane, and with the jammer pod / maws, you can avoid more missiles and come home safe.

[cmbaviator]

4 hours ago, Napillo said:

yep, that's the great thing about the JF-17, you have better situational awareness than almost any plane, and with the jammer pod / maws, you can avoid more missiles and come home safe.

I must say that I barely use the hammer pod as I take a center tank instead. I don’t know if the SA of the F18 is better. Some time in the JF I see no foe around me and then suddenly I see multiples foes on the SA that pops up instantly within 10Nm and a missile warning that i don’t have time to evade. Happened to me a couple times now. Don’t know if they were hiding in the terrain and then suddenly pull a vertical and launch a missile at me.

 

the drawback of the JF compared to the F18/16 is that on the radar, you can’t  see the ennemie position from datalink do you have constantly check your SA on the right MFD and adjust the radar elevation to display the contacts.

 

 

[Dr_Pavelheer]

Jammer pod gives you range for RWR contacts, not just azimuth. While it's nowhere near as precise as HTS, it works with both ground and air threats

[AeriaGloria]

3 hours ago, Dr_Pavelheer said:

Jammer pod gives you range for RWR contacts, not just azimuth. While it's nowhere near as precise as HTS, it works with both ground and air threats

And missiles. 

[Napillo]

5 minutes ago, AeriaGloria said:

And missiles. 

And it even identifies the type of missile, and also whether it's higher or lower than you.

10 hours ago, cmbaviator said:

JF compared to the F18/16 is that on the radar, you can’t  see the ennemie position from datalink

You don't see it on the radar screen, no - it all shows on the HSD, and the HSD shows not just the range, altitude, but even the type of aircraft if it's lighting you up (with Jammer). It also shows your radar contacts on the HSD in yellow, and it shows you if you're scanning the right part of the sky with the envelope. the radar screen is just that, the radar - not augmented by anything, which helps you to aim your radar and adjust it so you get a good target.

Edited August 31, 2022 by Napillo

[AeriaGloria]

6 hours ago, Napillo said:

And it even identifies the type of missile, and also whether it's higher or lower than you.

You don't see it on the radar screen, no - it all shows on the HSD, and the HSD shows not just the range, altitude, but even the type of aircraft if it's lighting you up (with Jammer). It also shows your radar contacts on the HSD in yellow, and it shows you if you're scanning the right part of the sky with the envelope. the radar screen is just that, the radar - not augmented by anything, which helps you to aim your radar and adjust it so you get a good target.

 

It’s the MAWS that shows elevation. So unfortuently it can only show elevation of missile is below 3/9 line, and if within 5 km. 
 

The person saying the data link wasn’t in radar screen is right, they said that “compared” to F-16/18. In F-16:18 the data link contacts show on both HSD and radar screen, where if they are within range and azimuth of radar display they will show up as regular contacts with different color and altitude displayed. This way you don’t have to look at HSD to see altitude and who is within range. When your radar detects them they change to regular track color. It’s called MSI (multiple sensor integration), and it’s really bad ass and a shame the Jeff doesn’t have it

Edited September 1, 2022 by AeriaGloria

[Napillo]

5 minutes ago, AeriaGloria said:

The person saying the data link wasn’t in radar screen is right

Yes, perhaps you misunderstood - I agree with you.

The only thing having the dl targets on the radar page does is give you the exact range, so you can preposition your tdc and scroll up/down so you can tap it faster - you have the same information available to you on the hsd, you just have to get it in the envelope and then position your tdc in the general area, then put the altitude - the f/a-18 isn't going to slew the radar up/down for you automatically though, you still have to manually do that. 

[cmbaviator]

1 hour ago, AeriaGloria said:

 

The person saying the data link wasn’t in radar screen is right, they said that “compared” to F-16/18. In F-16:18 the data link contacts show on both HSD and radar screen, where if they are within range and azimuth or radar display they will show up as regular context with different color and altitude displayed. This way you don’t have to look at HSD to see altitude and who is within range. When your radar detects them they change to regular track color. It’s called MSI (multiple sensor integration), and it’s really bad ass and a shame the Jeff doesn’t have it

that's why i was trying to say