Reactivate Jester Wheel

[Scotia]

I’m trying to restore the conventional jester wheel.

I’ve noticed multiple servers have set it to where you cannot turn off the cockpit frame, completely removing the jester backup option.

does anyone know the coded name for true cockpit frame or have knowledge on how I can disable this from being set by AIRIO?

I’m assuming that there’s an instruction within the airio.dll that VAICOM uses update a .lua file.  I’m not very familiar with dcs modding and don’t know what the name of the object I should be looking for is.

My primary use of the wheel visually is for radar target selection and programming of nav points. I occasionally have to use it for a/g ordinance selection as well.

“set steerpoint to map marker” has not been very consistent.

 

 

 

[sthompson]

On 10/15/2022 at 8:37 PM, Scotia said:

I’m trying to restore the conventional jester wheel.

I’ve noticed multiple servers have set it to where you cannot turn off the cockpit frame, completely removing the jester backup option.

does anyone know the coded name for true cockpit frame or have knowledge on how I can disable this from being set by AIRIO?

I’m assuming that there’s an instruction within the airio.dll that VAICOM uses update a .lua file.  I’m not very familiar with dcs modding and don’t know what the name of the object I should be looking for is.

My primary use of the wheel visually is for radar target selection and programming of nav points. I occasionally have to use it for a/g ordinance selection as well.

“set steerpoint to map marker” has not been very consistent.

 

 

 

I've never heard of anyone successfully restoring the original Jester wheel while otherwise still running ARIO. The early versions of ARIO did not provide an alternative Jester wheel, but still removed the default one. The explanation at the time was that ARIO is not compatible with the default wheel, and apparently this was not just a graphics issue. If you want to disable ARIO altogether the easiest way is to delete or move the DLL.

 

[Scotia]

I don't think that's true.

I can fully function AIRIO by turning it on after I load into the sim, and as long as I remain in that plane in that instance, the regular wheel is accessible, and Vaicom works as well.

There's something in the VAICOM files that redirects the wheel to the hud only view.  I *think* I'm making some headway.  
 

[MAXsenna]

4 hours ago, Scotia said:

I don't think that's true.

I can fully function AIRIO by turning it on after I load into the sim, and as long as I remain in that plane in that instance, the regular wheel is accessible, and Vaicom works as well.

There's something in the VAICOM files that redirects the wheel to the hud only view.  I *think* I'm making some headway.  
 

Do you start VoiceAttack/VAICOM before or after you enter the Cat? 

I can never get it to work if I start before. To be honest, I've never tried to start it after. 

[Scotia]

I normally start it before, and that’s just normal function.

I started it after I was in the Tomcat on a server and the wheel remained for the hour I was in the tomcat, and VAICOM and AIRIO seemed to function without issue.

Edited October 22, 2022 by Scotia

[MAXsenna]

6 hours ago, Scotia said:

I normally start it before, and that’s just normal function.

I started it after I was in the Tomcat on a server and the wheel remained for the hour I was in the tomcat, and VAICOM and AIRIO seemed to function without issue.

 

Tested now. I have to start VoiceAttack after I get in the Tomcat. After each mission I have to shutdown VoiceAttack, and start it again once I'm in a mission.
I had heard of this before, but never actively tried it, but thanks for making me!
Now I know pretty much how the AIRIO works and why VAICOM "disables" it, which it actually doesn't. It just hides it or renders it outside of your screen. Just press "A" and you can hear it working in the background.
If you start VoiceAttack after you're in the Tomcat, you can actually see it working. Say a Jester command, and in a split second "the rose" displays on your screen while executing the command. I guess it's hidden for immersion, and you cannot have the best of both worlds. Guess this was the "technical limitation" Hollywood was referring to. Should have been an option to hide it or not if you ask me. The good news though, is that I can add my own VoiceAttack commands for the missing features, and still keep it hidden, like I do for missing radio menu commands.

I'm not a coder, least of all in Lua, but I will try to compare the files which are changed.

Cheers!

 

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[Scotia]

Yeah, it’s clearly Hollywood’s preference, and not a technical limitation.

Now, because VAICOM’s appending the .Lua code and restoring it, probably need the changes to be made within VAICOM to keep them from being overwritten at each startup.

I’m finding locations that seem promising, but it certainly is not as easy as finding (movewheel) in the code, unfortunately.

[Japo32]

Can that lua code be shared and instructions to make the wheel appear when we wish without loosing the cockpit view? Thanks!

[MAXsenna]

1 hour ago, Japo32 said:

Can that lua code be shared and instructions to make the wheel appear when we wish without loosing the cockpit view? Thanks!

I haven't had time yet. But look at my post above. That's the file. 

Edit: Just close VoiceAttack before every F-14 mission, start it again after you're one the cockpit. Unless you have source code for VAICOM, there's not really to be done, unless it works to push the file with a mod manager after VoiceAttack is started. 

Edited October 27, 2022 by MAXsenna

[Scotia]

Yeah, if i could figure out what to change on the lua side to restore it, it looks like it's relatively simple to update within vaicom.  VAICOM literally just has a file it where it appends stuff and then restores the original file when its not in use.  

I think it moves anything that's a popup as well, since the NS430 module doesn't work with it either for likely the same reasons.  I don't have that module to test that theory with.