Chaff usefull against FOX1s ????

[cmbaviator]

Hello guys,

 

I've now been flying the mirage a lot since last weekend with the release of FOX1 CW server: Tempest where now the mirage can shine.

But as FOX 1 are guided with the radar of the aircraft that fired the missile, is chaff effective agaisnt such a powerfull radar especially when the distance is most of the time < 10-12 Nm ? I think it could be usefull maybe if you are in a notch position but i don't even think so, it may be usefull against fox 3 that have a less powerfull radar, but my question is regarding FOX 1, can you only defeat a fox 1 by notching or by depleating its energy by going cold ?

Edited October 25, 2022 by cmbaviator

[Exorcet]

Yes, chaff works. In general Fox 1 is more vulnerable to chaff than Fox 3.

[cmbaviator]

1 minute ago, Exorcet said:

Yes, chaff works. In general Fox 1 is more vulnerable to chaff than Fox 3.

So a radar from a aircraft is more sensible to chaffs compared to a less pwerfull radar of a fox 3 missiles ?

2 minutes ago, Exorcet said:

Yes, chaff works. In general Fox 1 is more vulnerable to chaff than Fox 3.

Is Chaffing while being cold useless ?

[Exorcet]

3 hours ago, cmbaviator said:

So a radar from a aircraft is more sensible to chaffs compared to a less pwerfull radar of a fox 3 missiles ?

Fox 3 can go for chaff, have the chaff expire, and then relock the plane. Fox 1 will typically give up after falling for chaff. In DCS chaff is a dice roll chance of breaking lock and the aircraft radar doesn't really matter (except the Mirage 2000 radar, which is the highest fidelity right now).

3 hours ago, cmbaviator said:

Is Chaffing while being cold useless ?

No, chaff in DCS works at all aspects.

[cmbaviator]

18 minutes ago, Exorcet said:

Fox 3 can go for chaff, have the chaff expire, and then relock the plane. Fox 1 will typically give up after falling for chaff. In DCS chaff is a dice roll chance of breaking lock and the aircraft radar doesn't really matter (except the Mirage 2000 radar, which is the highest fidelity right now).

No, chaff in DCS works at all aspects.

Good to know thanks ?

The mirage is a bit different, should you brake the lock, the S530D can require the target if you manage to reacquire the target even automatically with the ILLU feature or buy unlocking and relocking the target I think

[myHelljumper]

Hi,

A radar guided semi-active missile like the Super 530D has half a radar in it's nose, its seeker is a radar antenna that can only receive radar waves, not emit them.

So even though the Mirage radar is still tracking the target, the missile might decide to track the chaff cloud instead. The opposite can also happen, where it's the radar that is tracking the chaff while the missile tracks the target.

In the first scenario, you can't really do anything about it, the chaff cloud will dissipate or the target aircraft move away from it so it is not illuminated anymore, the missile is lost. In the second scenario, if you manage to understand that your radar is tracking chaff, the missile might still be flying toward the target so you can switch to PSIC Super-pointé mode to "manually" illuminate the target with the radar.

Hope the above helps, thanks.

Edited October 25, 2022 by myHelljumper

[cmbaviator]

2 hours ago, myHelljumper said:

Hi,

A radar guided semi-active missile like the Super 530D has half a radar in it's nose, its seeker is a radar antenna that can only receive radar waves, not emit them.

So even though the Mirage radar is still tracking the target, the missile might decide to track the chaff cloud instead. The opposite can also happen, where it's the radar that is tracking the chaff while the missile tracks the target.

In the first scenario, you can't really do anything about it, the chaff cloud will dissipate or the target aircraft move away from it so it is not illuminated anymore, the missile is lost. In the second scenario, if you manage to understand that your radar is tracking chaff, the missile might still be flying toward the target so you can switch to PSIC Super-pointé mode to "manually" illuminate the target with the radar.

Hope the above helps, thanks.

 

well im a bit confuse, what the point of having only a radar to receive wave ? to track a jamming aircraft ?

 

because its still the airbone radazr that guides the S530D ?

[myHelljumper]

On 10/25/2022 at 8:43 PM, cmbaviator said:

well im a bit confuse, what the point of having only a radar to receive wave ? to track a jamming aircraft ?

 

because its still the airbone radazr that guides the S530D ?

The Mirage radar illuminates the target and the Super 530D guides on the reflected radar waves, that's how all SARH missile works. Some missile have some datalink so they can guide before they see the target.

This means that the missile can also guide on a jamming aircraft without its supporting radar.

Thanks.