Radar Elevation and Dogfight Mode Bugs

[Hez]

After some extensive testing it appears as though there are a few, what I am assuming are bugs, with the Mirage radar.

1) Radar antenna elevation controls only tilt the radar up and down when in 4L (4 line bar) mode. If you change it in 1L mode, it'll change the number but not change the tilt UNTIL you enter 4L mode and then it'll instantly tilt it to the value you've set.

2) Altitude Difference (D) mode on the radar elevation appears to be in 10,000ft increments per "01" increase or decrease... Not 1,000ft.

EDIT: 2b) It also appears that the Elevation Tilt Angle (E) mode also has a 10x (or otherwise large coefficient) factor to it's movement, since instead of +/- ~30deg it's only going to "03" or "02" and that appears to match up roughly with D mode at "01" and "02".

3) Radar elevation values APPEAR to affect radar dogfight modes TEL and BZ. Where if you change your elevation value to tilting up or down, the dogfight lock now is not looking at the same area of the sky ahead of you, meaning if you start tilting your radar and the enter dogfight mode, you'll be unable to achieve a lock for a bandit in your HUD until you return the tilt to normal.

3b) There is no way to reset radar elevation tilt. So this becomes a bit of a nightmare to reset if using E (tilt) mode or D (alt. difference) mode since both are so aggressively tilting up - As per bug #2 - that resetting it isn't easy.

4) Dogfight radar mode BZ does work, but only if you enter TEL first and then BZ mode. Not sure if this is how it's supposed to work? I'm assuming not?

4b) BZ mode seems to say it should auto snap back to the centre position and only scan LEFT or RIGHT areas if you TDC move into them from the default CENTRE zone. However, it seems that when I enter BZ mode, if I had my TDC over to the left already, it'll just stay left and not spring-load to the centre position.

** Things I'm not clear on from reading the manual **

- C+M/SW button, pressing it twice does something to swapping lock targets?? Haven't noticed any difference between pressing a few times or just holding.

- Antenna-Gyro switch, just behind the throttle, not sure what that does.

- The dogfight modes are the same as "Rapid Gun" mode right? And so the radar should be focused around the centre of the jets flightpath marker rather than something on the horizon? Is that correct? Seems hard to sometimes lock folks above or below you when nose on.

 

Edited December 29, 2022 by Hez

[MysteriousHonza]

1 hour ago, Hez said:

After some extensive testing it appears as though there are a few, what I am assuming are bugs, with the Mirage radar.

1) Radar antenna elevation controls only tilt the radar up and down when in 4L (4 line bar) mode. If you change it in 1L mode, it'll change the number but not change the tilt UNTIL you enter 4L mode and then it'll instantly tilt it to the value you've set.

2) Altitude Difference (D) mode on the radar elevation appears to be in 10,000ft increments per "01" increase or decrease... Not 1,000ft.

3) Radar elevation values APPEAR to affect radar dogfight modes TEL and BZ. Where if you change your elevation value to tilting up or down, the dogfight lock now is not looking at the same area of the sky ahead of you, meaning if you start tilting your radar and the enter dogfight mode, you'll be unable to achieve a lock for a bandit in your HUD until you return the tilt to normal.

3b) There is no way to reset radar elevation tilt. So this becomes a bit of a nightmare to reset if using E (tilt) mode or D (alt. difference) mode since both are so aggressively tilting up - As per bug #2 - that resetting it isn't easy.

4) Dogfight radar mode BZ does work, but only if you enter TEL first and then BZ mode. Not sure if this is how it's supposed to work? I'm assuming not?

4b) BZ mode seems to say it should auto snap back to the centre position and only scan LEFT or RIGHT areas if you TDC move into them from the default CENTRE zone. However, it seems that when I enter BZ mode, if I had my TDC over to the left already, it'll just stay left and not spring-load to the centre position.

** Things I'm not clear on from reading the manual **

- C+M/SW button, pressing it twice does something to swapping lock targets?? Haven't noticed any difference between pressing a few times or just holding.

- Antenna-Gyro switch, just behind the throttle, not sure what that does.

- The dogfight modes are the same as "Rapid Gun" mode right? And so the radar should be focused around the centre of the jets flightpath marker rather than something on the horizon? Is that correct? Seems hard to sometimes lock folks above or below you when nose on.

 

Ive reported that elevation bug on forum like week after release. Its still there so dont have hopes for fast fix. 
Gyro-ant switch switches between logic of gunsight pipper. In gyro, radar delivers info only about range. In ant, radar delivers more info, range, vector and all this stuff so reticle is waaay more accurate.

[fausete]

Hey guys, regarding all these:

1) It is fixed now. Will be available in the next update.

2) The fixed logic will be available in the next update.

3) Was fixed. Will be available in the next update.

3b) The elevation reset function is not mentioned in any information source, so as far as we know it has to be done manually.

4) BZ mode is still in progress.

 

"- C+M/SW button, pressing it twice does something to swapping lock targets?? Haven't noticed any difference between pressing a few times or just holding."

This is not implemented yet.

 

"- Antenna-Gyro switch, just behind the throttle, not sure what that does."

The switch is now described in more detail in the manual. Basically, it controls the 2 modes of the gunsight:

*ANTENNE: is a kind of a radar director sight, the piper can be simply put on the radar target symbol (the orange square) to get a hit.

*GYRO: a classical LCOS sight, the aircraft is assumed to be flying in the target's plane of motion, and with the same speed.

 

"- The dogfight modes are the same as "Rapid Gun" mode right? And so the radar should be focused around the centre of the jets flightpath marker rather than something on the horizon? Is that correct? Seems hard to sometimes lock folks above or below you when nose on."

In TL mode the antenna scan center should be positioned 5 degrees below FRL, which is the radar installation angle. The radar datum symbol of the sight is the visual reference of the scan center in TL mode. This position was fixed recently and will be available in the next update.