Reset Trimmer Question...

[Sunjah]

Okay, I know the "reset Trimmer" is really a type of cheat, they don't have it in the real Ka-50, but hey, we have it so I'm using it. My question is; can we "set" what it resets to when we use it?

 

I read somewhere (a thread or the manual, can't remember) that the Ka-50 is trimmed differently when it is on the ground. Since I found that out, I have begun re-trimming it right before take off. First I press the trimmer button, then I push forward on the stick (but not enough to give it forward momentum, about 1/3 of the way forward), release the trimmer, and the helicopter still stays on the ground, but you can tell it is itching to "go forward." Then when I lift off, I don't have that ridiculous arching-back-with-nose-pointing-upward-nonsense.

 

It has really made a world of difference for me, that little nugget of information. Now, my problem is when I am flying and hit reset trim for whatever reason, I get the same pitch-back-nose-way-up-in-the-air-thing. I have a feeling it is resetting to the default, what it was on the gorund before I "retrimmed" it for takeoff (really does make level and forward flight much easier, too).

 

That is why I would love to establish the "take-off trim" setting as the baseline. So when I am coming to a stop in the air, and want the trim to reset, it won't go back to "runway" setting, but to my "take-off" trim setting.

 

I know, it is not in the real chopper, but I haven't seen anything in the (beast of a) manual about it. Is it possible? Can I tell it what is the default "reset trimmer?"

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Ps- by the way, for those who are loving this sim, but still hate take-offs because of the wild-pitching, try this re-trimmer thing right before take off. You go straight up, or up and forward (depending on how much you pushed forward on the "re-trimming"), and I have found it makes a world of difference...

 

...so glad someone shared that information (I think it WAS a post, but I am not positive)

[opformaster]

Engaging the FD during takeoff also helps with the pitching.

 

-op4

[CyBerkut]

Okay, I know the "reset Trimmer" is really a type of cheat, they don't have it in the real Ka-50, but hey, we have it so I'm using it. My question is; can we "set" what it resets to when we use it?

 

I read somewhere (a thread or the manual, can't remember) that the Ka-50 is trimmed differently when it is on the ground. Since I found that out, I have begun re-trimming it right before take off. First I press the trimmer button, then I push forward on the stick (but not enough to give it forward momentum, about 1/3 of the way forward), release the trimmer, and the helicopter still stays on the ground, but you can tell it is itching to "go forward." Then when I lift off, I don't have that ridiculous arching-back-with-nose-pointing-upward-nonsense.

 

It has really made a world of difference for me, that little nugget of information. Now, my problem is when I am flying and hit reset trim for whatever reason, I get the same pitch-back-nose-way-up-in-the-air-thing. I have a feeling it is resetting to the default, what it was on the gorund before I "retrimmed" it for takeoff (really does make level and forward flight much easier, too).

 

Relevant, useful posts:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=578828&highlight=trim+reset#post578828

FYI, the real aircraft does not have a "trim reset" function. This is something ED implemented for the benefit of flight simmers, based on high demand for this feature in Flaming Cliffs.

 

If you choose to reset your trim, you have to be very careful, because your controls will suddenly snap from their trimmed position into the default neutral position. This will almost always cause a sudden and violent pitch motion, sometimes even braking the aircraft. This happens, because the cyclic is usually trimmed in a stick-forward position and in addition, because the default neutral controls position in-game actually pitches the helicopter back (i.e. when taking off in a new chopper, simply pulling the collective without even touching the cyclic will pull the helicopter onto its tail).

 

If you want to recenter your controls, the best thing to do is enable the controls display (RCTRL+ENTER) and manually and in increments trim closer to the defualt position (remember, putting the cyclic in the center of the display cross will actually pitch the helicopter back, so you want it about 20% forward of center for level flight). Once you get it close, you can safely reset the trim.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=584098&postcount=9

To clarify what was already posted by Yo-Yo and is currently missing in the FAQ (I will add alter) - the trim settings are not the same for standing still on the ground and hovering. Hovering requires approximately 7 degrees of nose-down pitch as compared to standing still on the ground. In the simulation, when you are starting a helicopter on the ground (hot or cold), it is automatically trimmed to stand still and is therefore not trimmed for a hover. Re-trimming for take-off is something the pilot has to do manually, both in real life and in the sim.

 

I'm currently unaware of any way to tweak the neutral trim position (that resetting trim takes you back to). Of course, there may be something in the .lua files that you could tinker with.

 

However, I would suggest that you seriously consider removing the "trim reset" from your repetoir (or limit it to use when you are on the ground). It would appear that re-trimming in flight would be more appropriate.

 

But then, I still suck at this, so what do I know? :smilewink:

 

If you do find away to tweak the neutral trim setting, I imagine a bunch of folks will be interested in knowing how.

[815TooCooL]

Whatever joystick you have, CH, Saitek, or MS, you don't need reset trimmer.

when I was new to BS, I would use it thinking it was necessary.

Now I don't simply have that button assigned in any button.

 

Anytime you move and change attitude, press Trimmer all the time.

When you don't need to change your attitude, just release the trimmer button.

With 3 autopilot switch on + trimmer hold, you can do anything that actuall pilot can do.

Simple, you don't need 'reset trimmer' button. It just makes you harder to fly BS.

Edited January 25, 2009 by =815=TooCooL
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[Sunjah]

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Simple, you don't need 'reset trimmer' button. It just makes you harder to fly BS.

 

Yeah, but there are some who have already said to me, "You shouldn't use outside views," to which I would respond, "It's not my fault you're willing to give up the wonder of this game's scenic beauty!"

 

I would actually rather have a reset trimmer, but trimmed to the 7* or whatever it is. I like things customized to how I'd use it, and that would be a boon for me. I will keep an eye out to see if I can figure out, or hear something about how to do it.

 

It might have been in the FAQ that I read that about sitting on the runway being default pitched differently than level flight (or taking off). I know that for a while, that nose-pitch-back-thing was driving me crazy when I first took off.

 

By the way,

 

...when I was new to BS...

 

, what are you talking about? We are all new to this game. It has been available for only a month or so (or only a couple if you went Russian). I think we are all still learning a lot. Well, maybe not the beta-testers, but I tend to think everyone else is still pretty new!

Edited January 25, 2009 by Sunjah

[815TooCooL]

, what are you talking about? We are all new to this game. It has been available for only a month or so (or only a couple if you went Russian). I think we are all still learning a lot. Well, maybe not the beta-testers, but I tend to think everyone else is still pretty new!

 

Oh yeah, at that time I was f***ing new.

Simple Landig on FARP took 30 minutes then fighting 'reset trimmer'

Is it better? :D

I just wanted to give you an advice. ;)

[Sunjah]

Well, thank you then. It is advice I do not think I will follow, though. As I said, I was asking for how to set "default" trim (or if it is even possible), not "should I use trim-reset?"