advent_m Posted January 30, 2009 Posted January 30, 2009 I'm having a really hard time controlling the chopper with my X52. First of all, I don't understand how to assign axes to control options - for instance, I want to assign the main throttle as "Collective", but when I use the "Add" function under "Options -> Controls", I get a set of about 130 "JOY_BUTTON X" and "JOY_POV X". I managed to do these kinds of thing in LOMAC easily, but I've whent in-and-out the entire Options menu with no success. Secondly, it appears that when the stick (naturally assigned as "Cyclic") is at the neutral position, the game gets erroneous reading from the stick, causing the chopper to constantly mimic pulling the cyclic back and to the left. I tried various solutions, but none seem to work. It is impossible to control the chopper and sharpen my flying skills when I constantly fight to keep the chopper strait and level. All I wanna do, is have some fun... P.S. I've searched the forum for an answer, but came up with scratch. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
tronso Posted January 30, 2009 Posted January 30, 2009 To assign axis, choose axis (in red) from the drop-down list at the top. As for the second issue, could it be a calibration issue? -T
CyBerkut Posted January 30, 2009 Posted January 30, 2009 As tronso said, there is an axis selection on the pull down list. Once you are in there, it will probably be pretty obvious. Like tronso, the first thing I'd suspect on the cyclic issue is your X52's X & Y calibration. Get into the operating system's Control Panel, find the game controller / joystick settings and re-run the calibration routine in there. Which version of the SST software do you have? (The older one that makes .dat files, or the newer one that makes .pro files for the profiles) If you are on the newer SST software, are you running the release version, or one of the newer beta versions? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] There's no place like 127.0.0.1
advent_m Posted January 30, 2009 Author Posted January 30, 2009 Well, I can't believe I didn't see the "Axis" menu from the drop-down list... Anyway, I managed to assign the axes as I please. About the awkward stick input - I programmed a deadzone in the X52 Control Panel for both X Axis and Y Axis of about 10% of the initial movement area. About SST - I'm using version 6.0.10.7. It uses the .pr0 profile files. I installed it about 6 months ago from Saitek's website. Don't know anything about beta versions... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
FedEx Posted January 30, 2009 Posted January 30, 2009 Press Control Enter, you will see your stick inputs, before you take off, Reset Trim with Control T to make sure it is center, I see that when Im about to take off I throttle slowly untin I get the wheels up and look at the direction the aircraft is starting to move sometimes It try to go back and I push foward on the stick a bit and trim and if it goes foward I try to componsate the oposite and trim give or take the situation. To me I never flown a KA50 before but you will need allot of input in the stick to just level the aircraft if you using the X-52 that is, don't know about other sticks. I try to level the aircraft before I even start flying to my waypoint get control of it before you start off like a mad man to your waypoint. Allot of the times I was going crazy it was not my stick but me, trying to fly like if I was in Battle Field II this is not the same ;). [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Before you warn me, make sure you have help first and succeded in doing so.
CyBerkut Posted January 30, 2009 Posted January 30, 2009 Well, I can't believe I didn't see the "Axis" menu from the drop-down list... Anyway, I managed to assign the axes as I please. About the awkward stick input - I programmed a deadzone in the X52 Control Panel for both X Axis and Y Axis of about 10% of the initial movement area. About SST - I'm using version 6.0.10.7. It uses the .pr0 profile files. I installed it about 6 months ago from Saitek's website. Don't know anything about beta versions... You should check the joystick's calibration if you haven't done that yet. You may not need those deadzones... As for the beta versions of SST, etc., check the Saitek forums. There is an announcement about the latest beta, plus a downlioad link. You may want it, but you also might decide it is better to avoid messing with it. Saitek addressed some issues that could be of interest to you for using Black Shark (ie. recognizing right and left modifiers like Ctrl, Alt & Shift as separate modifiers). [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] There's no place like 127.0.0.1
Ramstein Posted January 30, 2009 Posted January 30, 2009 You should check the joystick's calibration if you haven't done that yet. You may not need those deadzones... As for the beta versions of SST, etc., check the Saitek forums. There is an announcement about the latest beta, plus a downlioad link. You may want it, but you also might decide it is better to avoid messing with it. Saitek addressed some issues that could be of interest to you for using Black Shark (ie. recognizing right and left modifiers like Ctrl, Alt & Shift as separate modifiers). Use the Beta! Or else you wil loose to many important key functions! http://www.saitekforum.com/ :music_whistling: ASUS Strix Z790-H, i9-13900, WartHog HOTAS and MFG Crosswind G.Skill 64 GB Ram, 2TB SSD EVGA Nvidia RTX 2080-TI (trying to hang on for a bit longer) 55" Sony OLED TV, Oculus VR
CyBerkut Posted January 30, 2009 Posted January 30, 2009 The beta doesn't work right for everyone, so it depends on whether you can use it. I had to go 'back' to the release version. I'm using Vista 64, but I don't know if the trouble was related to that. For someone who likes to map a gazillion commands to their HOTAS, it would be worth trying. For someone who keeps things simpler, it might be less of a headache to just re-define the key strokes for any commands that they want to put on the HOTAS.... or just use Black Shark's built-in facilities. To each their own... :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] There's no place like 127.0.0.1
advent_m Posted January 31, 2009 Author Posted January 31, 2009 (edited) Today I've experimented a lot with the controls (both in-game properties and X52 control panel). For example, after I takeoff, I reset the trim. Immediately, the helo noses up and flies backwards. Is this supposed to happen? Also, I'm constantly experiencing a left roll and some yaw, even though I established deadzones both in-game and in the X52 control panel. P.S. Concerning the four AP buttons (hdg\alt\pitch\bank hold) - when, say, hdg hold is off, and I enable it, will the computer try to maintain the heading that the helo faced when I enabled the hdg hold option? Does this apply for all 4 AP modes? Edited January 31, 2009 by advent_m [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
ZaltysZ Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 Also, I'm constantly experiencing a left roll and some yaw, even though I established deadzones both in-game and in the X52 control panel. If you experience this in forward flight, then everything is ok - use trim. You need to trim every time you change speed. Wir sehen uns in Walhalla.
CyBerkut Posted January 31, 2009 Posted January 31, 2009 Today I've experimented a lot with the controls (both in-game properties and X52 control panel). For example, after I takeoff, I reset the trim. Immediately, the helo noses up and flies backwards. Is this supposed to happen? Also, I'm constantly experiencing a left roll and some yaw, even though I established deadzones both in-game and in the X52 control panel. P.S. Concerning the four AP buttons (hdg\alt\pitch\bank hold) - when, say, hdg hold is off, and I enable it, will the computer try to maintain the heading that the helo faced when I enabled the hdg hold option? Does this apply for all 4 AP modes? Roger the experimenting. What you have not yet said though, is if you have re-run the calibration of the stick. If you have not calibrated the stick, it's the next thing you should do before moving on to anything else. If you have a good calibration, the deadzones can be minimized. As for resetting the trim.... I highly recommend that you remove that from your flying repetiore. When you do a "trim reset", it resets it to the neutral trim configuration, which is designed keep the Black Shark from rolling forward while you are on the ground. What you want to do in flight is re-trim (adjust the trim) using the trim command. A search of the forums will yield more information on trim and trim reset... have a pot of coffee brewed, as there are a lot of posts available to read. :music_whistling: "Trim reset" is a creation of the programmers (apparently because there was a demand for it in Lock On)... it is not an actual function that exist in the real Black Shark. I'll leave the AP answers to someone who has a better handle on it. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] There's no place like 127.0.0.1
advent_m Posted January 31, 2009 Author Posted January 31, 2009 Why do I need to trim everytime the speed changes? P.S. I used the recalibration procedure found in Saitek's support page, and the jittering I witnessed in the X52 control panel "deadzones" tab in X, Y and Z rotation disappeared. Also, there's the DH-DT switch. If it is in the middle (neutral) position, does this mean that the computer ISN'T attempting to fly the helo to the desired heading\track? I'm thinking that somehow, the AP is enabled and causing my head to explode (and the helo to crash)... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
hyperfighter Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 (edited) i am using the saitek myself and its great, now to be honest i think u dont really know how to handle te autopilot. so ill explain how i fly (i can fly under bridges, nap of the earth etc with no probs, but it took me like 3 weeks to figure it out) first of all put deadzones on your stick, especially the twist. because when you turn say left and your not using deadzones, your likely to input some unintended rudder, this will be picked up by the ap. (if u think your helo is flying kinda weird take a look down at your pedals see if your not inputting rudder or press right control + enter) now for usage on the ap, when flying long strips where your basically not need to maneuver real much but are ingressing use only the 3 buttons heading hold, bank and yaw, turn altitude hold off. now say you want to turn 4 degrees and hold that heading, just move the stick a little tap the trim and immediatly realese the stick, if u want a bigger turn, say 15 degrees then hold the trim turn 15 degrees stabilize the helo, then release trim and release the stick. after that you might wanna tap trim a few more times to get any errors out. now if u would want to make say like a 90 degree turn current ap mode is not really suited since you will be fighting the ap when your about half way (you could press trim and release when your done but the ap will pick up some errors) best way is to now turn ADF on (ap director) this trim works totally different trim the aircraft so it flies straight at the speed and height u like, now WITHOUT USING TRIM (the plane is trimmed) fly around, this is the mode u need to use for flying and maneuvering for ex near targets. when you do a 180 degree turn only then you might want to retrim again. in short for straight flights where you dont need to maneuver violently use no adf tap trim when making small inputs, hold and release trim for larger inputs, when u need to maneuver more switch to adf, trim the plane so it flies like u want and you can freely fly withouth almost any trimming. some important notes, while in adf hover hold is no good, switch back adf off when u use hover hold, something else thats real imporant, once you used hover-hold the altitude hold button will be activated, even when u exit the hover hold, dont forget to turn this off again. what is happening to u i guess is that your fighting the autopilot instead of letting the ap help u..try flying in adf mode see if it feels better. also when using route mode DONT FORGET TO PUT THAT OFF when u want to take control. basically if i fell i am fighting the chopper i do the following check up: 1 are my rudders straight? 2 is enroute mode off 3 is auto turn to target off? ("Q" key) 4 check the ap is altitude hold off, are the other 3 buttons on?\ 5 still no good? right-ctrl enter see whats wrong 6 am i maneuvering hard,is adf on? oh and why do u need to trim when u change speed..well isnt that obvious? (hint u can use it to go up and down, so u if u trimmed the plane using 80% power and now u put in 100% power and dont trim again well your be going up right? if u want to keep that alt you would need to nose down, but you pick up speed. on the other hand if u had alt-hold on inputting more power would not make u climb but beacuase the ap is trying to keep same alt heading and bank, so the only way thats possible is to pick up speed... i mean just that question alone tells me your stick etc is fine but you just not used to the trim function, maybe u used trim in planes but its really not the same as in this bird. ps: try not to learn bad habits using ctrl + t this is ground trim and you ONLY USE THIS when u have landed. u really dont need this in flight and is actually quite dangerous. try holding the trim stabilize the helo and release trim and stick) i suspect your not releasing the joystick when u using trim had similar probs as u did in the beginning (the helo was flying me and i was fighting the ap too much) now i fly the helo and let the ap make my life easier, i can now control the chopper so good i can actually land on my nose wheel alone driving along the runway for instance...u just need to know how to handle the ap, and trust me this a lot harder then learning how to use weapons and stuff, the ap has a lot of functions and it makes a lot of difference in how the helo handles (depending on what functions are selected) try adf right after taking off and go do some free flying, trim it so u fly straight at aproxx 140 kmh, then DONT TOUCH TRIM AGAIN and fly around, .if u dont have probws flying now youre just handling the helo wrong. If its still giving probs something else might be wrong Edited February 26, 2009 by hyperfighter 1
hyperfighter Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 (edited) Why do I need to trim everytime the speed changes? P.S. I used the recalibration procedure found in Saitek's support page, and the jittering I witnessed in the X52 control panel "deadzones" tab in X, Y and Z rotation disappeared. Also, there's the DH-DT switch. If it is in the middle (neutral) position, does this mean that the computer ISN'T attempting to fly the helo to the desired heading\track? I'm thinking that somehow, the AP is enabled and causing my head to explode (and the helo to crash)... sigh...if u dont have enroute mode on this switch does NOTHING! u MIGHT WANNA google/youtube producer note #10, how to use trim..... Edited February 26, 2009 by hyperfighter
rapid Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 Nice post hyperfighter. Asus ROG Crosshair Hero VIII , Ryzen 3900X, Nzxt Kraken Z73, Vengence RBG Pro DDR4 3600mhz 32 GB, 2x Corsair MP 600 pcie4 M.2 2 TB , 2x Samsung Qvo SSD 2x TB, RTX 3090 FE, EVGA PSU 800watt, Steelseries Apex Pro. TM WartHog,TM TPR, Track IR, TM 2 x MFD, Asus VG289Q, Virpil Control Panel#2
hyperfighter Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 Nice post hyperfighter. thx was worried it might be a bit long, but thats the way i use the ap and works for me. glad you liked the post
CyBerkut Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 I agree with rapid. Nice explanation! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] There's no place like 127.0.0.1
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