cannot repoduce and missing track file F18 TRIM AND STICK PROBLEMS

[rob10]

12 minutes ago, niru27 said:

Please watch the video again. The pitching up was happening even before I turned on ATC. Pay attention to the VVI and whether AP is on or not.

With ATC on, the throttle increasing is not causing pitch up. Pitching up is causing the throttle to increase as it needs more power to maintain the set speed.

You're right, I only caught that toward the end and didn't notice you only activated ATC part way through.

[Opus 1]

This is exactly what I'm experiencing. I don't understand it. I was wondering if my warthog HOTAS needs driver updates or something.  Does your trim hat work at all? Mine dose not.

[niru27]

2 hours ago, Opus 1 said:

This is exactly what I'm experiencing. I don't understand it. I was wondering if my warthog HOTAS needs driver updates or something.  Does your trim hat work at all? Mine dose not.

The Hornet auto trims for 1G in normal flight. The pitch trim has a very small effect here, you can confirm it by first engaging AP BALT and then press and hold the Trim nose UP. You should see the AP go off and the nose will climb.

While landing though, you get a much greater response from the pitch trim.

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I think I figured out the problem with uncommanded nose up. Will try a few more times and see if it is reproducible

[Opus 1]

I don't get any pitch at all. Landing becomes impossible for this reason. HOTAS binding shows connection. 

[rob10]

3 minutes ago, Opus 1 said:

I don't get any pitch at all. Landing becomes impossible for this reason. HOTAS binding shows connection. 

Beating a dead horse now, but PLEASE post a track and maybe someone can help you rather than taking random stabs in the dark.

[Gierasimov]

On 3/10/2023 at 1:25 AM, Opus 1 said:

Is anyone having flight control issues with their joystick? My trim hat is unresponsive, and the plane wants to climb when trying to fly level. I'm using BETA 2.8. Case 1 landing are impossible as I can't get on speed with the trim hat not responding in game play. I went to set up and flight controls appear to be functioning with binds.

F18_Pitch_Up.miz

@Opus 1Can you please try this one and let us know if it is any better?

Thanks.

Edited March 17, 2023 by Gierasimov

[Opus 1]

I am not that good with computers. I'll work on a video and post. Thanks for the assistance and patients. Rob10 I think what you showed is what's happening to me. The problem gets worse with case 1 landing or any landing as staying on speed is not possible for me without the trim hat. Working on video not sure when ill post. soon! thanks for all input, I do appreciate it!

[rob10]

3 hours ago, Opus 1 said:

I am not that good with computers. I'll work on a video and post. Thanks for the assistance and patients. Rob10 I think what you showed is what's happening to me. The problem gets worse with case 1 landing or any landing as staying on speed is not possible for me without the trim hat. Working on video not sure when ill post. soon! thanks for all input, I do appreciate it!

Just do a short flight where it happens and when you quit it will give you the option on the debrief screen to SAVE TRACK.  Post that here.  When it works (they don't always) it can be better than a video because anyone can take over in game and see if they are getting the same symptoms.

[Gierasimov]

I took your original track you posted @Opus 1and played it as a mission.  But first I checked in ME. 

I changed clouds preset only (I had some issues in the past with nothing selected / older missions) but I also changed the fuel to have full internal tanks to avoid i internal tanks filling up from bags. 

I flew 55 minutes at various altitudes (from 120 ft to 45000 ft) in various speeds, headings and dropped bombs, jettisoned tanks... Trapped with my wingman... 

Absolutely no issues. 

That's why I wanted you to fly this 'modifed' mission to see if it was problem with your mission or your setup. 

It ain't DCS doing it.

[Opus 1]

I have a clip saved. It's a little over 9 min. Sorry, how do I attach this here? I know where to find it when I'm in the game, I just can't seem to find it using the attachment icon at bottom left. I know, you're working with a problem child that didn't get the memo on how to be literate in computer science! 

[rob10]

8 hours ago, Gierasimov said:

I took your original track you posted @Opus 1and played it as a mission.  But first I checked in ME.

Just to point out, the only track posted in this thread so far was from niru27, not from Opus 1.

[Gierasimov]

1 hour ago, rob10 said:

Just to point out, the only track posted in this thread so far was from niru27, not from Opus 1.

Correct, however it seemed that niru27 had reproduced the issue 

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Here's a track file of both the problem + the work-around

So, having nothing else to work on I went for that one. 

Anyhow, I don't see a problem at all, so I guess I am not helpful anyway. 

[Opus 1]

landing C NO HAT with rise.trk

 

This is my track. This is a Case 1 landing. I wanted to show how the plane rises with no stick input. i set the jet up for case 1 and you'll see the problem. I scan the cockpit and show flap setting and look out side to see flap position.  Hope this can give you an idea. Thanks all

[rob10]

2 hours ago, Opus 1 said:

landing C NO HAT with rise.trk 3.62 MB · 2 downloads

 

This is my track. This is a Case 1 landing. I wanted to show how the plane rises with no stick input. i set the jet up for case 1 and you'll see the problem. I scan the cockpit and show flap setting and look out side to see flap position.  Hope this can give you an idea. Thanks all

OK, so something is definitely wrong.  When I take over your track I see some pitch up and for some reason speedbrake has almost no authority (i.e. it doesn't brake you).  I set up a mission with basically same loadout/fuel altitude and I don't see the problem and speedbrake slows me.  Try the attached and see what it does.  Do you have any mods installed at all?  Or have you previously had any mods that you've removed?  Have you run a repair?

TEST.miz

[niru27]

2 hours ago, Opus 1 said:

landing C NO HAT with rise.trk 3.62 MB · 2 downloads

 

This is my track

 

16 minutes ago, rob10 said:

OK, so something is definitely wrong

TEST.miz 9.01 kB · 0 downloads

Yeah something is seriously wrong in that TRK. The roll rate is crazy!! And I'm unable to slow down as well. After slowing to 160-180, full AB has no effect! The nose just keeps diving.

Either the TRK is borked or something weird is happening here.

 

 

@Opus 1 is Game Avionics enabled?

Edited March 18, 2023 by niru27

[niru27]

I enabled Game Flight mode to test, and started up Caucasus Free Flight. The behaviour matches that of the TRK. @Opus 1 please goto Settings > Gameplay and disable that option.

My problem seems to be different from this, and happens seemingly randomly.

[Opus 1]

Thank you all, niru27 and rob10 thanks for hanging in there with me. It WORKED!

[rob10]

1 hour ago, niru27 said:

My problem seems to be different from this, and happens seemingly randomly.

Have you tried adding a 2 or 3 deadzone on your joystick pitch to see if that stops it?

[niru27]

12 hours ago, rob10 said:

Have you tried adding a 2 or 3 deadzone on your joystick pitch to see if that stops it?

It is not a controls issue as:

1.  I can engage AP. In F18 it won't engage even if there is a tiny amount of stick input
2. The Controls Indicator window doesn't show any input

Reading throught the forum, the problem seemed to match that of taking off with Flaps in Auto, and the solution for that works for me as well, just don't know why it's happening lol.

Could you please try launching with Auto Flaps? That might give you an idea of how it feels. Watching track or screen caps doesn't let you "feel" it

[rob10]

3 hours ago, niru27 said:

Could you please try launching with Auto Flaps? That might give you an idea of how it feels. Watching track or screen caps doesn't let you "feel" it

I'd like to deny that I've ever accidentally done that, but then I'd be lying .  So, ya I know that feeling.

[niru27]

1 hour ago, rob10 said:

I'd like to deny that I've ever accidentally done that, but then I'd be lying .  So, ya I know that feeling.

Yeah so that happens to me randomly even when I launch with Half Flaps and correct trim. Anyway I have opened a support ticket, let's see

[Opus 1]

Rob 10 resolved the issue by going to settings > game play and turning it off