Caldera Posted March 13, 2023 Posted March 13, 2023 (edited) Hey All, Sometimes I can be amazed at what can trip me up. So I will try to describe what happens to me and I am hoping that someone can help me out. Settings at Start: Now the TADS is the sight: By using: GHS selected as Acquisition Source: OK This makes me happy! But sometimes, for a reason that I do not understand. This process simply will not work. This problem comes along it seems at night, when I would be using NVS. I can't get the Sight to be TADS nor be able to select GHS for the Acquisition Source. The system just locks up: No matter what I try I cannot get it to work correctly. Thanks in advance, Caldera Edited March 13, 2023 by Caldera
Caldera Posted March 13, 2023 Author Posted March 13, 2023 I have no idea why that last photo is there, but ignore it.
Floyd1212 Posted March 13, 2023 Posted March 13, 2023 It sounds like you are doing it correctly, but it looks like you haven't boresighted the IHADSS. Maybe when you select it as the active sight, it won't let you go any further until you boresight?
NeedzWD40 Posted March 13, 2023 Posted March 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Caldera said: This problem comes along it seems at night, when I would be using NVS. I can't get the Sight to be TADS nor be able to select GHS for the Acquisition Source. If in the CPG seat using NVS, you must turn NVS off to sight select TADS. 1
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VKing Posted March 13, 2023 Posted March 13, 2023 7 hours ago, NeedzWD40 said: If in the CPG seat using NVS, you must turn NVS off to sight select TADS. Yeah, it's this. When the CPG selects NVS, it makes the TADS unavailable as a sight. You can get almost the same effect by setting the TADS as the sight and slaving it to GHS.
Caldera Posted March 13, 2023 Author Posted March 13, 2023 (edited) Thanks all! I have no idea how I can get so messed up at times. I would have thought that I did try turning the NVS off. But, I guess probably not. And I would guess that you can't have two sights active at once... Caldera Edited March 13, 2023 by Caldera
NeedzWD40 Posted March 13, 2023 Posted March 13, 2023 It's a way to make sure you're not going to fly into the dirt or the nearest tree as you're likely using the NVS for pilotage.
Poptart Posted March 13, 2023 Posted March 13, 2023 If you're particularly greedy you can use the PNVS (with the NVS SELECT switch) as a gunner and the TADS as a sight. 1
ED Team Raptor9 Posted March 13, 2023 ED Team Posted March 13, 2023 51 minutes ago, Poptart said: If you're particularly greedy you can use the PNVS (with the NVS SELECT switch) as a gunner and the TADS as a sight. This is a bug. TADS should be inhibited from selection as the CPG's sight if the CPG's NVS is set to NORM or FIXED. Afterburners are for wussies...hang around the battlefield and dodge tracers like a man. DCS Rotor-Head
Caldera Posted March 14, 2023 Author Posted March 14, 2023 (edited) So this pretty much happened in a SP mission where I was switching between seats, with George as the pilot while I was CPG. But it was the aftermath of a MP mission with a live pilot where I began to wonder why I could not select the TADS as the sight and GHS as the Acq Source. It was my first night mission in the Apache so there were a few other eye openers for me that evening. If the live pilot (MP) is using the NVS (the manual calls it the PNVS), then I should not be able to use it at the same time as the CPG? Is that correct? The Manual does a poor job of describing that the CPG can use it and under what conditions. But makes sense in the event that the pilot can no longer fly. Source is the ED AH-64D manual. Sorry to be a bonehead, Caldera Edited March 14, 2023 by Caldera
ED Team Raptor9 Posted March 14, 2023 ED Team Posted March 14, 2023 28 minutes ago, Caldera said: If the live pilot (MP) is using the NVS (the manual calls it the PNVS), then I should not be able to use it at the same time as the CPG? Is that correct? PNVS and NVS are not the same. "PNVS" is the name of a specific sensor turret on the nose of the aircraft. "NVS" is a mode in which either the PNVS turret or TADS turret can operate in either crewstation. Because the PNVS and TADS can operate as separate NVS sensors, both crewmembers can be using NVS mode at the same time, but neither crewmember can use the same NVS sensor as the other. If the pilot is using PNVS as his NVS sensor, the CPG must use TADS as his NVS sensor. If the pilot is using TADS as his NVS sensor, the CPG must use the PNVS as his NVS sensor. However, the TADS cannot be used for targeting as a sight if it is being used for flying as an NVS sensor. If you are in the CPG seat and you move your NVS switch to NORM or FIXED, you are engaging the TADS into a mode meant for flying, not targeting. This is why the sight is automatically set as HMD and flight symbology is displayed on your helmet display instead of weapon symbology. 28 minutes ago, Caldera said: I began to wonder why I could not select the TADS as the sight and GHS as the Acq Source. You can, but only if TADS is your sight. If you are in NVS NORM or FIXED, the TADS is being used as a sensor and your sight is HMD. You cannot make your sight your acquisition source because you cannot slave a sight to itself; therefore as the CPG, you cannot slave your HMD (as your sight) to the Gunner Helmet Sight because your HMD is already looking where it is looking. 2 Afterburners are for wussies...hang around the battlefield and dodge tracers like a man. DCS Rotor-Head
Caldera Posted March 14, 2023 Author Posted March 14, 2023 Thanks Raptor! I now have a much better picture now. This statement adds another question by me: If the pilot is using PNVS as his NVS sensor, the CPG must use TADS as his NVS sensor. If the pilot is using TADS as his NVS sensor, the CPG must use the PNVS as his NVS sensor. It seems that the PNVS is selected as NVS by default by the pilot using the NVS switch. How does the pilot select the TADS as NVS? Likewise, It seems that the TADS is selected as NVS by default by the CPG using the NVS switch. How does the CPG select the PNVS as NVS? How does the other person know what they have available to use if one NVS is already in use, other than using the intercom? (I hope that makes sense...) Caldera
ED Team Raptor9 Posted March 14, 2023 ED Team Posted March 14, 2023 47 minutes ago, Caldera said: How does the CPG select the PNVS as NVS? Collected from the manual: If either crewmember uses this switch on their respective collectives, it swaps the NVS sensor assignments between crewstations. This is an example of why a major revision of the manual is underway. You have three items, the Collective Flight Grip, IHADSS Field-Of-Regard box, and NVS logic that all interact with one another, so hyperlinks to the applicable sections are needed. 47 minutes ago, Caldera said: How does the other person know what they have available to use if one NVS is already in use If it is dark outside, the Pilot is probably using PNVS to avoid crashing into something. You could also bring up the Pilot's video on the VID page to see what is being used, but crew communication is always the best. Afterburners are for wussies...hang around the battlefield and dodge tracers like a man. DCS Rotor-Head
ShuRugal Posted March 14, 2023 Posted March 14, 2023 If it is dark outside, the Pilot is probably using PNVS to avoid crashing into something. You could also bring up the Pilot's video on the VID page to see what is being used, but crew communication is always the best.Or just look forward. If the pilot is not using the PNVS, it will be parked.Sent from my Pixel 5a using Tapatalk
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