Problem with targeting system (TPOD/TOO)

[Joss]

When you create a TOO using the TPOD, and that you drop a JDAM on this point, it will go elsewhere (it will target a random Target Point, and all the next TOO will be this random target point).

Furthermore, when you hit the "waypoint designate" button to slave the TPOD to a TOO you've created in flight, it won't slave on the location you wanted but on the random location I've spoke about above. Same with Maverick : when you're targeting a precise point and hit uncage, the Mav seeker will be slaved to this random location.

My Harrier is well aligned (INS on IFA). Even when you use the WP increment long, instead of TOO, to drop a JDAM, it won't work.

Somebody has the same problem ?

[Ramsay]

4 hours ago, Joss said:

When you create a TOO using the TPOD, and that you drop a JDAM on this point, it will go elsewhere (it will target a random Target Point, and all the next TOO will be this random target point).

Furthermore, when you hit the "waypoint designate" button to slave the TPOD to a TOO you've created in flight, it won't slave on the location you wanted but on the random location I've spoke about above ...

Somebody has the same problem ?

No, though TOO can be a bit finicky - you need to make sure to Designate each TPOD Target Point (TDC Despress) and start the bomb run with your first Target Point (usually T1), as T0 (the system designation) is usually a copy of it or one of the other Target Points.

If the TPOD doesn't slave to the expected Target Point when you designate or step through the Target Points using WINC, you may be starting from the wrong TOO Target Point index (i.e. T0 instead of T1 on the EHSD) or made an error creating the TOO's.

Checking that T1, T2, etc. step correctly on the EHSD and the TPOD slaves to the expected targets is one of my last checks before I break away to start my attack run.

Attached is a track file of a simple TPOD/TOO JDAM x4 drop on the Caucasus map.

4 hours ago, Joss said:

Same with Maverick : when you're targeting a precise point and hit uncage, the Mav seeker will be slaved to this random location.

See my previous post on using IR Maverick with TPOD.

If you'd like further help on either weapon, it'd be helpful to attach a short track file or link a video of what you are doing, otherwise I'm guessing.

Tested in DCS Open Beta Multi-thread 2.8.4.38947

AV-8B JDAM TOO Example, 2_8_4_38947.trk

Edited April 20, 2023 by Ramsay

[Joss]

Hi ! Tanks for your answer. I’ll try what you said later.

So you think that I have to press TDC Depress before creating a TOO ? Usually I don’t do that and it works just fine because my TPOD is in TPOD DES by default.

Also, I have no problem switching between TOO, even if I didn’t start from T1.

here is how I performed an attack with gbu 54 before last update  : 

1) Sensor select Down twice to open the TPOD

2) find targets and create TOOs (TOO + enter on the UFC)

3) exit jdam on ESHD And enter jdam again to display the TGT information on the ODUs

4) select desired TOOs

5) align with the targets and, when in range, press the Bomb Pickle Button until all bombs are dropped 

That’s what I did before the last update, and it worked fine. 

I’ll just try what you said and make sure The TPOD is in TPOD DES (usually it is by default but I’ll make sure). If it still doesn’t work I’ll try to send a track. 

Thanks

 

 

[Ramsay]

3 hours ago, Joss said:

So you think that I have to press TDC Depress before creating a TOO ? Usually I don’t do that and it works just fine because my TPOD is in TPOD DES by default.

Once in TPOD DES i.e. after your first designation using the TPOD, you "should" be good but I usually do an extra designation for each additional target point to be sure.

3 hours ago, Joss said:

That’s what I did before the last update, and it worked fine.

Your procedure sounds correct, strange you've started having issues with both JDAM and Maverick TOO.

I did find WINC short press detection a little strange with it missing momentary button presses (so I needed to hold WINC down but not so long as to be detected  as a long press), however, as I'm new to my Winwing HOTAS, it could easily be a difference in button "action" to my old Saitek throttle.

[BigMotor]

After hours of working with TOO last couple of days I learned a couple of tricks. (Not to say it's all figured out).  1. Sometimes you have to undesignate and then redesignate the target to get the right one.  2. Different outcomes with HOTAS presses depending on whether you are in INS or TPOD mode.  3. Sometimes you have to turn TPOD off and back on again if you want MAP DES, SLAVE DES to display. In order to cycle through targets (As in a multiple maverick attack) using WP INC (T1, T2, T3 etc.) bottom right must display MAP DES, SLAVE DES. TPOD off and on usually gets to that mode the quickest. 

Still learning, now trying to figure out how to recover from finger fumble errors without resetting 20 miles off target, lol. 

[Joss]

Ok so I had a chance to try and it’s working properly if I press TDC down to enter TPOD DES.

I don’t know why, but after the last open beta (or after I’ve changed my throttle a few days ago), my TPOD was not is TPOD DES  after I designated a target using TDC Down and the speed vector.

For me, you have to press TDC Down once and you’ll be, and stay, in TPOD DES. You can cycle through the Target Points easily, starting from the one you want (not necessarily from the first).

Thanks for your help !