DCS damage model

[Philip Mongeon]

First off, i would like to mention that the damage model update is visually stunning. Great Job Team!!!!!

That being said, It could use a bit of polishing.

example:

- when flying ANY WW2 fighter, you can have both ailerons shot right off and still be able to maneuver as though they are both still present.

- You can have a mid-air collision, lose half your fuselage and a wing and still fly as though no structural failures occurred.

- The AI fuel tanks catch fire far too frequently, given that historically speaking, self sealing tanks were available on all bombers since 1942, and on all fighters since 1943. Seeing as the models of B17G (cheyenne tail and chin turrets) available in DCS were introduced in 1943, these had self sealing tanks.

- having a brush with the ground can damage your propeller, clip a wing, yet if you pull out right on contact, you can still fly as though the ground was never touched.

- The i16 radiator damage vapors are far too outwards on the wing. they are appearing at the wing tip instead of just before the inner aileron seam.

- when a landing gear loses hydraulic pressure and lowers, it will automatically enter locked state. This should not be the case on the Spitfire, The Fw190 nor the BF109 as they had hydraulic landing gear locks. It should remain in free floating state.

 

PS.  The incorporation of the propeller vibration when hit with a bullet was truly a great feature in the damage model. This goes without saying that the team has done truly wonderful work !!!!!

 

[Skewgear]

More than half of these assertions ... ah, do not accord with what I've seen in the sim. As there are no tracks reproducing the problems, there's not much else to say - other than please provide some.

[peachmonkey]

18 hours ago, Philip Mongeon said:

First off, i would like to mention that the damage model update is visually stunning. Great Job Team!!!!!

That being said, It could use a bit of polishing.

..PS.  The incorporation of the propeller vibration when hit with a bullet was truly a great feature in the damage model. This goes without saying that the team has done truly wonderful work !!!!!

 

 

 

yes, there are plenty of inconsistencies/bugs in DCS. However, one thing I'd like to point out:  these deficiencies are module/AC specific. I.e. if Spitfire presents a certain bug in certain damage scenario, it means this bug applies only to Spit and its damage model. This is due to individual modeling of each AC component, the code between models isn't re-used, there is no 'generic' damage model that is shared across the frames.

What this means, and it's highly encouraged, when you observe a certain 'bug' or unexpected operation to save the track and submit it into a respective AC bug section of the forum, so ED can properly evaluate the behavior, reproduce it, and finally fix it.

 

Welcome to the DCS WWII club, I hope you'll enjoy your stay

[Philip Mongeon]

On 6/2/2023 at 3:54 AM, Skewgear said:

More than half of these assertions ... ah, do not accord with what I've seen in the sim. As there are no tracks reproducing the problems, there's not much else to say - other than please provide some.

here is a track of a p51 losing its tail, and yet can still operate the elevators.

p51 tail gone.trk

[peachmonkey]

8 minutes ago, Philip Mongeon said:

here is a track of a p51 losing its tail, and yet can still operate the elevators.

p51 tail gone.trk 81.95 kB · 0 downloads

I suggest you move/report this in P51 bug section:  https://forum.dcs.world/forum/203-bugs-and-problems/

and tag @NineLine

[Philip Mongeon]

will do thank you

[IIIJG52_Otto_]

On 6/1/2023 at 9:10 PM, Philip Mongeon said:

The AI fuel tanks catch fire far too frequently, given that historically speaking, self sealing tanks were available on all bombers since 1942, and on all fighters since 1943. Seeing as the models of B17G (cheyenne tail and chin turrets) available in DCS were introduced in 1943, these had self sealing tanks.

As far as I know, shelf sealing tanks were not capable to stop leak caused by 20 mm shells, even German mine shells could blow off a fuel tank with a single hit.

by the way, remember that only 5 hits of German 30 mm mine shells (used by Bf-109K4 Mk-108 motor-cannon) were enough to down a B-17 or B-24, I.a.w. wartime German test reports, and guncams films.

 

On 6/1/2023 at 9:10 PM, Philip Mongeon said:

The i16 radiator damage vapors are far too outwards on the wing. they are appearing at the wing tip instead of just before the inner aileron seam.

Radiator in a Polikarpov i-16 ?? … As far as I know i-16 had air cooling radial engine, it had not water or liquid radiators, … oil cooler perhaps?.

Edited June 11, 2023 by IIIJG52_Otto_