topol-m Posted February 18, 2009 Posted February 18, 2009 Russian military confirms the develpment of a new 5th generation attack helicopter: http://en.rian.ru/russia/20081226/119184455.html Also Kamov announced the development of a new heli Ka-90/Ka-92: http://www.avia-n-aero.ru/photo.php?category_id=596&parent_id=564&photo_id=4916&countdisplay=&start=0 Does anyone know if there is going to be a competition between Mil and Kamov for future contracts, as the only info that i`ve found about Mil`s projects is about Mi-28NM (or Mi-28M) which seems more like a modernization of Mi-28N: http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3ac48c743c-10e3-47b5-aeea-39f8c53fd41a&plckCommentSortOrder=TimeStampAscending [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Maj.Ballz Posted February 18, 2009 Posted February 18, 2009 is that a longbow type radar dome over the Mi-28.
AlphaInfinity Posted February 18, 2009 Posted February 18, 2009 This is pretty interesting, especially after the US cancelled the commanche program back in 2004. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] |Core i7 5820k@3.8ghz|ASUS X99 Deluxe mobo|16GB Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR4 2666|EVGA GTX980 SLI | 4x500GB Samsung PRO SSD|Corsair RM1000 GOLD|Track IR5|5x LG 27inch LCD| Windows 8.1 PRO
nscode Posted February 18, 2009 Posted February 18, 2009 And there's the new Ka-32-10, decreasing the uglyness factor of the Ka-32 500% :D Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
jpm1 Posted February 18, 2009 Posted February 18, 2009 i think it's more to make the Ka-50 cancellation pill goes down , if the US army has cancelled the Commanche i don't see how attack helos can have a future SU-25 missions [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
nscode Posted February 18, 2009 Posted February 18, 2009 How is the cancellation of a light recon stealth chopper with limited strike capability connected with the future of attack helos? Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
CE_Mikemonster Posted February 18, 2009 Posted February 18, 2009 (edited) RAH-66 Recon/Attack Edit, good point though. But I wouldn't say it has a limited capability. Edited February 18, 2009 by CE_Mikemonster Too many cowboys. Not enough indians. GO APE SH*T
nscode Posted February 18, 2009 Posted February 18, 2009 Limited by purpose, not by design. Its primary task is Recon, and that is how it was designed and optimised. It has the capability to strike when a fast strike is needed, but that compromises its primary mission. They have chosen wisely to leave recon to better suitet aircraft (UAVs) and have their helos optimized for attack. Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
AlphaInfinity Posted February 18, 2009 Posted February 18, 2009 This is true: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_was_the_RAH-66_Comanche_program_cancelled But I also think they realized that unmaned drones might be better for strike capabilities as well. They will continue to retrofit the Apache with technologies created in the Commanche program but I doubt we will be seeing a new attack helicopter program in the US for a very very long time, if ever. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] |Core i7 5820k@3.8ghz|ASUS X99 Deluxe mobo|16GB Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR4 2666|EVGA GTX980 SLI | 4x500GB Samsung PRO SSD|Corsair RM1000 GOLD|Track IR5|5x LG 27inch LCD| Windows 8.1 PRO
CE_Mikemonster Posted February 18, 2009 Posted February 18, 2009 So what can an attack helicopter do that a team of UAV's can't? Too many cowboys. Not enough indians. GO APE SH*T
nscode Posted February 18, 2009 Posted February 18, 2009 Fly in a higly jammed enviorment? Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
jpm1 Posted February 19, 2009 Posted February 19, 2009 How is the cancellation of a light recon stealth chopper with limited strike capability connected with the future of attack helos? you're right to underline that a recon helo isn't an attack helo so i reword my sentence why isn't the US developing attack helos .. i don't think it's not much a question of efficiency but more likely politics . with a manned helo you take the risk of seeing the enemy display the cadaver of the pilot on TV or see them swagger with a prisoner why taking such risks when you can use planes or cruise missiles for attacking and satellites for reco .. SU-25 missions [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
CE_Mikemonster Posted February 19, 2009 Posted February 19, 2009 I wasn't being arkward mate, I just didn't know! What do you mean, highly jammed? As in full of ECM? Too many cowboys. Not enough indians. GO APE SH*T
nscode Posted February 19, 2009 Posted February 19, 2009 Yes. Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
CE_Mikemonster Posted February 19, 2009 Posted February 19, 2009 So the Apache Longbow (AH-64D) is a fourth generation attack helicopter, with practically an all-weather capability, and fire-and-forget missiles. Is an upgraded Mi-28N (designated 'NM') really fifth generation? It seems to me that with some possible orders for the Mi-28N Russia is upgrading it's capibilites to match those of the Longbow. Thing is that the Longbow's been around for a good decade now, and Russia have been in a bit of a military technology freeze, so how can the MI-28NM be upgraded to match it? Too many cowboys. Not enough indians. GO APE SH*T
jpm1 Posted February 20, 2009 Posted February 20, 2009 no only the helos i think it's the same for the planes i think the F-22's one of the last combat planes piloted by a man SU-25 missions [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
HansRoaming Posted February 20, 2009 Posted February 20, 2009 A long time ago the advent of guided missiles signalled to many at the time that the days of manned flight for combat aircraft were numbered. Over fifty years later we're still putting people in aircraft. UAVs are good but I wonder how they would fare in an environment when both sides have technological parity. The human brain is still the best vocational unit available for weapon systems and will be for a long time to come.
Grimes Posted February 20, 2009 Posted February 20, 2009 I don't know why you need a new chopper when you can upgrade an existing one. Besides they are still building Apache airframes. The right man in the wrong place makes all the difference in the world. Current Projects: Grayflag Server, Scripting Wiki Useful Links: Mission Scripting Tools MIST-(GitHub) MIST-(Thread) SLMOD, Wiki wishlist, Mission Editing Wiki!, Mission Building Forum
jpm1 Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 A long time ago the advent of guided missiles signalled to many at the time that the days of manned flight for combat aircraft were numbered. Over fifty years later we're still putting people in aircraft. UAVs are good but I wonder how they would fare in an environment when both sides have technological parity. The human brain is still the best vocational unit available for weapon systems and will be for a long time to come. a UAV's also piloted by human brain SU-25 missions [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
HansRoaming Posted February 21, 2009 Posted February 21, 2009 a UAV's also piloted by human brain Not when there is ECM about. ;)
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