Rapierarch Posted June 17, 2023 Posted June 17, 2023 Hi Guys, I'm not a Gazelle flyer. I have trialed the ufo flight model back in days a few times and gave it up as many others. Now I started my new trial today and I'm very pleased that she flies like a helicopter. I'm testing FM and basic guns and so nothing special. And to be sure that I'm not doing something wrong I start hot in clean mission. I have 2 things first the lift of is extremely abrupt. It's like suddenly a gremlin takes control when a skid left the ground but then it becomes controllable again. What's happening there? I can land her easily and smooth but take off is always abrupt and I cannot feel decent in it. As if when applying collective both skids are pulling a rubber band and one skid snaps. It feels like that. The biggest issue I have (I don't know may be it is like that IRL but I doubt that) engine feels incredibly weak or helicopter with 50-60% fuel and no weapons feels super heavy. I simply cannot gain altitude after ground is cleared it takes huge effort and patience engine is not happy with it. Gaining altitude and speed together after take off is almost impossible. After certain speed like 150kph that's no issue any more. So is there something I should look at. I tried this in normandy and Caucasus at sea level. at 20C. Maybe I'm doing something wrong? I tried paying attention to max load in ME. I see almost no difference in behavior in 100% payload and any lesser for this behavior.
Ramsay Posted June 17, 2023 Posted June 17, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rapierarch said: The biggest issue I have (I don't know may be it is like that IRL but I doubt that) engine feels incredibly weak or helicopter with 50-60% fuel and no weapons feels super heavy. I simply cannot gain altitude after ground is cleared it takes huge effort and patience engine is not happy with it. Gaining altitude and speed together after take off is almost impossible. After certain speed like 150kph that's no issue any more. So is there something I should look at. I tried this in normandy and Caucasus at sea level. at 20C. Maybe I'm doing something wrong? I tried paying attention to max load in ME. I see almost no difference in behavior in 100% payload and any lesser for this behavior. Try the same in the "L" as it's lighter - I have no issue when starting with 66% (350 litre) of fuel. Note there is a known bug and using the rearm/refuel ground crew dialog doesn't change the aircraft's weight (fuel load needs to be set in the mission editor). A "standard" ALAT M1 loadout is 2 HOT Missiles with 66% (350 litre) fuel, however PC are checking the current equipment weight and aircraft performance with SME's i.e. the FM is still WIP and certain aspects may require further tuning AFAIK in a temperate climate, near sea level, with light winds - you should have no trouble flying with the new FM (the Gazelle is limited by it's Max allowable torque). Only at higher altitudes/ air temperatures will the engine limit max performance. 2 hours ago, Rapierarch said: I have 2 things first the lift of is extremely abrupt. It's like suddenly a gremlin takes control when a skid left the ground but then it becomes controllable again. What's happening there? Not sure as, it's not something I see - do you have any old settings, axis curves or a control conflict ? Edited June 17, 2023 by Ramsay i9 9900K @4.8GHz, 64GB DDR4, RTX4070 12GB, 1+2TB NVMe, 6+4TB HD, 4+1TB SSD, Winwing Orion 2 F-15EX Throttle + F-16EX Stick, TPR Pedals, TIR5, Win 11 Pro x64, Odyssey G93SC 5120X1440
Rapierarch Posted June 17, 2023 Author Posted June 17, 2023 Dear @Ramsay, I tired it with both models before and the weight issue was similar. it was a DCS session of 3 hours almost. Right after my post I flew another session for 2 hours and this time the weight issue was not there. It was just another helicopter. Weird things are happening since MT patches but this one was the weirdest. Anyway I still have issues with take off but I turned off autopilot channels and it is better now. I think I'm fighting against the AP since I don't know how it works in gazelle. All three channels work as stabilisation/dampening or is it like Russian helis like heading is hold and pitch and roll is dampening? Is there a microswitch like logic or whatever. It is time to read the f manual I guess. So far raw FM is ok. I feel her and she is nice
Ramsay Posted June 17, 2023 Posted June 17, 2023 34 minutes ago, Rapierarch said: Anyway I still have issues with take off but I turned off autopilot channels and it is better now. I think I'm fighting against the AP since I don't know how it works in gazelle. All three channels work as stabilisation/dampening or is it like Russian helis like heading is hold and pitch and roll is dampening? Is there a microswitch like logic or whatever. It is time to read the f manual I guess. So far raw FM is ok. I feel her and she is nice AFAIK • Only basic Trim and SAS are working. • AFAIK SAS/damping works off your last trim position but is WIP due to the new flight model. • The old AP speed and altitude sub-modes, hover hold and auto-slew weren't ready in time for the current patch - so their use can be unpredictable. • Unfortunately rudder trimming is bugged (uses offset from center, rather than current position), so should be avoided if possible. i9 9900K @4.8GHz, 64GB DDR4, RTX4070 12GB, 1+2TB NVMe, 6+4TB HD, 4+1TB SSD, Winwing Orion 2 F-15EX Throttle + F-16EX Stick, TPR Pedals, TIR5, Win 11 Pro x64, Odyssey G93SC 5120X1440
Rapierarch Posted June 18, 2023 Author Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) Quote • AFAIK SAS/damping works off your last trim position but is WIP due to the new flight model. • The old AP speed and altitude sub-modes, hover hold and auto-slew weren't ready in time for the current patch - so their use can be unpredictable. • Unfortunately rudder trimming is bugged (uses offset from center, rather than current position), so should be avoided if possible. Ah this explains most of it. I'll turn off SAS and never touch it until it gets fixed. I don't use pedals trimming. A far as I know (I don't know much btw) but gazelle did not have pedals trimming. I'll see where the auto slew is. That behaviour if launching abruptly feels a lot like fighting against the heading hold of Hind without using microswitch. Edit: I spent the whole day playing with it wildly. I got the hang of it. That engine issue from my first session never manifested itself again. That abrupt depart from ground is a glitch I believe in FM or SAS. I cannot tell. I have to ignore it and just continue taking her up ignoring that twitch it corrects itself without my input. If I react to that things go in roller coaster. I have watched a few more review videos and all of them have that abrupt depart in take off let's wait for update. BTW. I loved flying her. Circling in between trees almost driving on roads feels wonderful. I always wanted her but she was not a helicopter. Now she is. Here and there still see strange things happening but I'm not sure it is me or the flight model. Edited June 18, 2023 by Rapierarch Additional info: after more experience...
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