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Hi.
I found Tel Nof AFB's spots 44 - 96 have "detour" taxi routes for both Takeoff / Landing. 
Especially spots 85 - 89 have bigger trouble.

My report and suggestion is based on "Not to use Runway 15R / 33L as a taxiway, keep it clear for future parallel takeoff / landing runway use".
If Runway 15R / 33L is planned as a taxiway (not a functional runway) in the DCS terrain module, I'll change my thought to follow it.
Please tell me your plan.

RW 18 Takeoff
from spots 85 - 89.
TelNof_rw18to_sp8589crt.jpg
This case has two different troubles.
One is the route drawing big U with crossing the active RW 18.
Another is taxing on RW 33L / 18R and only one aircraft can enter the RW 33L / 18R area. The second a/c (taxi-out from spots 85 - 89) has to wait on the end of RW 33L until the first a/c exits the end of RW 15R. A long time waiting occurs about each a/c.

The taxi routes to be :
TelNof_rw18to_sp8589tobe.jpg

 RW 18 Takeoff from other spots (44 - 96) have a similar problem crossing RW 18,
and "detour U" about spots 44 - 64.
TelNof_rw18to_sp-others-crt.jpg

My suggestion into simple and shorter ---
TelNof_rw18to_sp-others-tobe.jpg

RW 18 Landing taxi routes are only troubled with spots 85 - 89.
They are also use RW 15R / 33L. But not to wait one another, less waiting time.
TelNof_rw18ldg_sp8589crt.jpg

TelNof_rw18ldg_sp8589tobe.jpg

RW 36 Takeoff "detour" taxi routes is also only caused with spots 85 - 89 and RW 15R / 33L.
They have to wait the previous a/c exiting the runway. Same to RW 18 Takeoff issue.
TelNof_rw36to_sp8589crt.jpg

TelNof_rw36to_sp8589tobe.jpg

RW 36 Landing shows the inverted routes of RW 18 Takeoff like ---
About Spots 85 - 89 :
TelNof_rw36ldg_sp8589crt.jpg

TelNof_rw36ldg_sp8589tobe.jpg

Other spots 44 - 96 after RW 36 Landing show also inverted from Takeoff RW 18 routes (shown above) --- crossing the active runway and detour "U".
Suggested new routes are also the inverted ones of Takeoff RW 18.

RW 15L Takeoff has only spots 85 - 89 trouble.
TelNof_rw15Lto_sp8589crt.jpg
Second - Fifth a/c have to wait the clearance of RW 15R / 33L. Same to RW 18 takeoff.
If RW 15R / 33L is planned as taxiway, the current route is the shortest and not to change, but occupied decision has to be got rid.

To avoid taxing RW 15R / 33L , the route to be :
TelNof_rw15Lto_sp8589tobe.jpg

RW 33R has almost no problems about taxi.
Its Landing with spots 95 - 99 are allowed to taxi on RW 15R / 33L or not. (Inverted from RW 15L Takeoff.)

Edited by western_JPN
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Posted (edited)

I don't know historical fixed-wing a/c taxi routes of Tel Nof around helicopters apron (spots H18 - H27).
I think fixed-wing a/c doesn't enter the apron to avoid ground staff / helo pilots injury. 
More research about historical taxi operation in Tel Nof is needed.

When my thought is fitted IRL .... those fixed-wing a/c taxi routes "short cut" the helicopters apron H18 - H27 in current Sinai module have to be changed.

TelNof_rw15Lldg_sp7196crt.jpg

TelNof_rw15Lldg_sp7196tobe.jpg

TelNof_rw15Lto_sp7196crt.jpg

TelNof_rw15Lto_sp7196tobe.jpg

TelNof_rw33Rldg_sp7196crt.jpg

TelNof_rw33Rldg_sp7196tobe.jpg

 

Edited by western_JPN
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Modules: A-10C/II, F-4E, F-5E(Re), F-14A/B, F-15E, F-16C, F/A-18C, AV-8B, FC3, Ka-50-2/3, UH-1H, Mi-8MTV2, SA342, Mi-24P, AH-64D, CH-47F, P-51D, F4U-1D
Maps: Nevada, PG, Syria, SA, Sinai, Kola, Afghanistan, Iraq, CW Germany, Channel, Normandy2.0      Assets etc.: CA, Sc, WW2AP
Mods and Skins in User Files: files/filter/user-is-western0221/ 

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Posted

Hi.

This bug looks almost fixed now in version 2.9.20 .15010 patch.

Only two or three slots get another new detour bug though, I'll report it in the new topic.

Modules: A-10C/II, F-4E, F-5E(Re), F-14A/B, F-15E, F-16C, F/A-18C, AV-8B, FC3, Ka-50-2/3, UH-1H, Mi-8MTV2, SA342, Mi-24P, AH-64D, CH-47F, P-51D, F4U-1D
Maps: Nevada, PG, Syria, SA, Sinai, Kola, Afghanistan, Iraq, CW Germany, Channel, Normandy2.0      Assets etc.: CA, Sc, WW2AP
Mods and Skins in User Files: files/filter/user-is-western0221/ 

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