TWS (navigation mode) switch back on it's own to RWS, if selecting AA mode and vice versa. Right or wrong?

[Nedum]

Hi,

I'm using the F16-C Instant Action "Free Flight" (Caucasus map) mission.

1. Activating TWS with TMS right long

2. Activate AA

3. TWS is switching too RWS

4. Deactivating AA

5. RWS is switching too TWS

For what reason for?

Is this right? If yes, why has the system to act like this? What's the reason for this? For me, it's a "stupid" extra workload for nothing.

I am on a patrol. I am tracking air targets, but no engagement necessary. Rule of engagement changed. The targets are now free for attack. I have the order to attack the targets.

I would be happy If I had only the following workload:

1. Master Arm = on

2. AA Mode = on

3. select the nearest enemy target in TWS mode

4. fire Missile

Right now, I have to add the following workload:

After step 1. and 2.

3a. switch to TWS again

3aa. try to find and track the enemy targets again

3aaa. FFO check again

3aaaa. select the enemy target

4. continue with the rest of the needed steps to fire the Missile.

 

Can someone explain, why we have to lose the tracking if we switch from the Navi mode to the AA mode if TWS was selected before?

 

[TobiasA]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb Nedum:

Hi,

I'm using the F16-C Instant Action "Free Flight" (Caucasus map) mission.

1. Activating TWS with TMS right long

2. Activate AA

3. TWS is switching too RWS

4. Deactivating AA

5. RWS is switching too TWS

For what reason for?

Is this right? If yes, why has the system to act like this? What's the reason for this? For me, it's a "stupid" extra workload for nothing.

I am on a patrol. I am tracking air targets, but no engagement necessary. Rule of engagement changed. The targets are now free for attack. I have the order to attack the targets.

I would be happy If I had only the following workload:

1. Master Arm = on

2. AA Mode = on

3. select the nearest enemy target in TWS mode

4. fire Missile

Right now, I have to add the following workload:

After step 1. and 2.

3a. switch to TWS again

3aa. try to find and track the enemy targets again

3aaa. FFO check again

3aaaa. select the enemy target

4. continue with the rest of the needed steps to fire the Missile.

 

Can someone explain, why we have to lose the tracking if we switch from the Navi mode to the AA mode if TWS was selected before?

 

The radar mode is saved for each submode:

- AA

- AG

- NAV

- DGFT (dogfight override)

- MRM (missile override)

So if you switch back to nav mode, it will switch back to the mode you had in NAV.

Use the missile override (MRM) on the HOTAS. It's your friend. As soon as I have contact with hostiles, I go the MRM override (which has TWS enabled). When the situation is solved, I disable override and drop back to NAV (which is in wide RWS). 

When flying AG sorties, this will allow you to flip to 120s when you get jumped while keeping all settings in AG mode. When you disable MRM override, you will drop back to the mode you had before (AG in this case) with the full setup as it was when you left that mode, allowing you to seamlessly continue your mission. 

[Nedum]

Hi,

 

thank you for your answer.

DGFT and MRM are well known and how they work, but thank you.

And I can understand that AA and AG have their own preset modes. Nothing to discuss. But it's hard to understand why AA, NAV and MRM are staying in their default mode (RWS) and they can't switch automatically If the pilot changed the tracking mode in one of these 3 modes.

I am able to set the TWS for AA, NAV and also MRM, and they will stay in this manual mode even if I am switching the modes all to TWS or RWS.

If it's possible to manually chose TWS and RWS for all RADAR Air modes, why is there no automation to enable TWS or RWS in any mode if the Pilot has set one of those modes in NAV or AA before?

If I have set TWS in NAV, MRM and AA mode, the workload done in one of those modes, will be captured for all of them.

If the NAV mode is set to TWS, AA to RWS and MRM to TWS, the workload done in the NAV mode will be captured for the MRM mode, but not for the AA mode.

Why not stay automatically in the Radar mode (TWS or RWS) I have picked before? Why do I have to repeat all the workload again, if I am switching between AA, NAV or MRM and forgotten to set them to the same mode as the one I was working with before the switch? Makes absolutely no sense to me. If I want to change it manually (for what reason whatever) to another tracking mode, I can do, and I know I will lose all my work I've done before.

There is no (for me known) logic to force the pilot to do that unnecessary workload. For me, it feels wrong.

So my question again, why are the tracking modes (RWS/TWS) are not switching automatically if I have chosen one of them in one of the 3 modes (AA, NAV or MRM) and switching to another mode (like AA mode = TWS -> switch to NAV mode = TWS too)?

 

 

Edited November 25, 2023 by Nedum

[TobiasA]

vor 14 Stunden schrieb Nedum:

Hi,

 

thank you for your answer.

DGFT and MRM are well known and how they work, but thank you.

And I can understand that AA and AG have their own preset modes. Nothing to discuss. But it's hard to understand why AA, NAV and MRM are staying in their default mode (RWS) and they can't switch automatically If the pilot changed the tracking mode in one of these 3 modes.

I am able to set the TWS for AA, NAV and also MRM, and they will stay in this manual mode even if I am switching the modes all to TWS or RWS.

If it's possible to manually chose TWS and RWS for all RADAR Air modes, why is there no automation to enable TWS or RWS in any mode if the Pilot has set one of those modes in NAV or AA before?

If I have set TWS in NAV, MRM and AA mode, the workload done in one of those modes, will be captured for all of them.

If the NAV mode is set to TWS, AA to RWS and MRM to TWS, the workload done in the NAV mode will be captured for the MRM mode, but not for the AA mode.

Why not stay automatically in the Radar mode (TWS or RWS) I have picked before? Why do I have to repeat all the workload again, if I am switching between AA, NAV or MRM and forgotten to set them to the same mode as the one I was working with before the switch? Makes absolutely no sense to me. If I want to change it manually (for what reason whatever) to another tracking mode, I can do, and I know I will lose all my work I've done before.

There is no (for me known) logic to force the pilot to do that unnecessary workload. For me, it feels wrong.

So my question again, why are the tracking modes (RWS/TWS) are not switching automatically if I have chosen one of them in one of the 3 modes (AA, NAV or MRM) and switching to another mode (like AA mode = TWS -> switch to NAV mode = TWS too)?

 

 

 

As I said, each mode, for example AA "remembers" which radar mode was active in that specific mode. You can think of that mode as a set of radar mode and MFD layouts as well as a weapon type selection. I don't think you really understood that part of the mode selection.

The radar mode is switched automatically to this modes radar mode when you switch to the mode. The radar mode is tied to the 5 modes, not the other way around. You do not change the radar mode, you change this submodes radar mode.

The design is to switch to what you want to do, do your work and get back to what you were doing before and continue where you left, not doing work and then switching to what you want to do.

Dogfight radar modes are switched  automatically as well when entering dogfight mode. It would be one hell of work if it was the other way around. Imagine keeping TWS when entering dogfight mode.

TGP mode is switched by the same logic. Each mode is a setup that is called when you select this mode.