Wing Leaves Fuselage at 400 mph

[ChuckIV]

After the latest update, the Spitfire's wing is tearing off at a VERY LOW speed compared to before the update.  I've read dozens of Spitfire books, and they all claim the Spitfire can do 500 mph momentarily in a dive without wings tearing off.  The wing tearing off problem was VERY , VERY , VERY, VERY early in the Spitfire's history (Mk 1 era)  We are flying the muchly IMPROVED Mk IX now.  Wing tearing has virtually been eliminated at this point.  Similar to a Mustang's max speed, I would expect incredibly stiff ailerons, and a need to use elevator trim only to pull out of a dive without damage.  Can this please get fixed as soon as possible.  This is a huge game changer for me if wings keep tearing off at such low speeds and low G loads.

ChuckIV

[Skewgear]

The Spitfire IX pilot's notes give never-exceed speed as 450mph IAS. You've oversped it and then applied too much load factor pulling out of the dive.

[TORC]

To be fair, the Mk IX was an interim model that paired the Mk V's fuselage with the new (at the time) Merlin 61 engine. It was the Mk VIII that had reduced span ailerons and some internal strengthening to try to combat the wing collapse - and even then there are reports of structural damage being incurred at high speeds when fitted with the extended wingtips (these were extended compared to the normal rounded wingtips - something we don't have on the IX in the sim).

I'm not sure that the incidence of wings folding up in the sim matches what is reported from real operations, but then again I'm well convinced that we tend to fly these aircraft much closer to the absolute limit than most real pilots did (look at how we use the paddle on the Hornet, for instance!).

[ChuckIV]

You also must know that when you land at an airport and repair/refuel/rearm, your aircraft now stands a MUCH HIGHER chance of this happening.  The stress loads are not fixed on the airframe when repairing/refueling/rearming.  You are much better off getting a new aircraft EVERY time.  ChuckIV

I believe I did in fact repair/rearm/refuel maybe even twice prior to the wing leaving the fuse.  C4

 

[Skewgear]

Repairing your aeroplane in multiplayer resets all the cumulative damage from over-stressing it by exceeding Vne and then exceeding sensible G tolerances when pulling out of overspeed dives.

Read the manual, follow the limits in it. There is no grand conspiracy from ED to make your Spitfire fall apart.

[Art-J]

So we've got one opinion that repair command fixes the cumualtive damage and one that it doesn't  . Never used it in multiplayer but I'm curious now which version is correct then. Logic suggests it should be the former.

In either case one just needs to remember that cumulative damage simulation is a thing in DCS and bumping into the limit reduces that limit on each subsequent application.

Edited May 24, 2024 by Art-J

[TORC]

Yeah, G limits only apply if you intend to use that airplane again

[Dingo (ZX-D)]

I'm with you on this Chuck, two points:

1. I have many hours in the spit and haven't had this problem for years, it seems to have gotten much easier to rip your wings off recently.

2. The new G model is far more subtle and therefore difficult to see and use, in the past I could modulate the tightness of my turn using the blackout 'tunnel' and prevent wings coming off or blackout, now if I'm under the shade of a cloud or in darkening conditions I can't even see the blackout coming and suddenly BAM wings go or blackout instant.

Makes it much harder to use the spitfire's key strength.

Id like them to tweak the G effect a little to be less subtle or a color which doesn't blend with the shade and shadows so its discernable.

and

I'd like my wings back :_) 

[ChuckIV]

I read The Big Show again last week.  Closterman brought up a surprising fact.  When you are SHOOTING your guns at very high speeds, this will be just enough to tear off a wing or two.  Wow!  Never thought of that.

ChuckIV