Recommendation for new joystick

[Hummingbird]

Hi guys,

Been looking to buy a new high end stick, however I'm specifically looking for one where there is no noticable transition between the X and Y axis, i.e. so you are able to move the stick around in smooth circles without feeling any transition between the two axis. I got a Gladiator VKB stick a while back, but ended up pretty much never using it because there is a very noticable cross axis transition, not helped by the detent in the cams used.

Are there any high end sticks out there right now, other than the old TM Warthog, that feature this smooth and unnoticable (in terms of feel) transition between the X & Y axis? Or is this quite simply always the case when the gimbal is using a cam system?

Thanks in advance for any help and advice!

[Lange_666]

- Virpil (depending on the cams used)
- VKB (depending on cams and gimbal design)
- Thrustmaster with the new AVA base (depending on the cams)
- Winwing (depending on the cams used).
- others?

My Virpil WarBRD base goes around smooth with no transition.

[Hummingbird]

Thank you very much for the answer!

 

So just to be clear, you're saying all those you mentioned will move around smoothly in circles with no felt transition between the X & Y axis (unlike the VKB Gladiator) providing the right cams are used? (Also I assume by "depending on cams" you mean the ones without a center detent?)

 

Also as a side note, I need it to just sit on my desk with no mounts, so I can move it away when I need it for work. Which one of the sticks you mentioned has the smallest footprint you think?

 

Edited June 1, 2024 by Hummingbird

[mikko.1842]

19 hours ago, Hummingbird said:

So just to be clear, you're saying all those you mentioned will move around smoothly in circles with no felt transition between the X & Y axis (unlike the VKB Gladiator) providing the right cams are used? (Also I assume by "depending on cams" you mean the ones without a center detent?)

Yes.

 

19 hours ago, Hummingbird said:

Also as a side note, I need it to just sit on my desk with no mounts, so I can move it away when I need it for work. Which one of the sticks you mentioned has the smallest footprint you think?

Well, you seem to worry about the footprint, but imho, you should take the height in consideration, much more. If your grip hides your monitor when you are flying, that will be annoying (unless you can set your monitor higher than the stick).

Check Virpil WarBRD-D base, which is about 6 cm height. Avoid Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 which is taller (9-10 cm), and designed as a mounted stick.

In the same way, avoid MongoosT-50CM3 stick, as it is the tallest from Virpil.

 

As for VKB, their Gunfighter Mk.IV base should be about 6 cm height too (not too sure, you may want to check). Up to you to choose the right VKB stick.

Maybe some Winwing users will be able to tell you more about their sticks/bases.

Edited June 2, 2024 by mikko.1842

[Lange_666]

On 6/1/2024 at 9:39 PM, Hummingbird said:

So just to be clear, you're saying all those you mentioned will move around smoothly in circles with no felt transition between the X & Y axis (unlike the VKB Gladiator) providing the right cams are used? (Also I assume by "depending on cams" you mean the ones without a center detent?)

Yes (although I never felt the VKB Gladiator).

It will depend on the size of the baseplate. For example the baseplate of a Virpil WarBRD is a bit smaller and a lot less heavy than that of the Warthog but I found the Virpil one it not stable enough when doing quick/hard maneuvers. So I drilled new holes in the Warthog baseplate to mount the Virpil base on it.

Edited June 3, 2024 by Lange_666

[Hummingbird]

12 hours ago, mikko.1842 said:

Yes.

 

Well, you seem to worry about the footprint, but imho, you should take the height in consideration, much more. If your grip hides your monitor when you are flying, that will be annoying (unless you can set your monitor higher than the stick).

Check Virpil WarBRD-D base, which is about 6 cm height. Avoid Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 which is taller (9-10 cm), and designed as a mounted stick.

In the same way, avoid MongoosT-50CM3 stick, as it is the tallest from Virpil.

 

As for VKB, their Gunfighter Mk.IV base should be about 6 cm height too (not too sure, you may want to check). Up to you to choose the right VKB stick.

Maybe some Winwing users will be able to tell you more about their sticks/bases.

 

Ah yes, by footprint I actually also meant overall space, and your advice is sound. I think Ive decided on the WarBRD-D, seems to be what I'm looking for.

Thanks guys! 

Edited June 3, 2024 by Hummingbird