min spec's

[rabbit102]

you say single core should run the game.

my amd 6000+,gtx260, and 4gig of mem cant run this game right or the way it should be.

when is this prob going to be addresseded.

next question is how do you disable the game so you can format your system..tried the protect.exe and still lost 5 installs... please advise.

[EtherealN]

Who says? Did you accidently post a new thread instead of a reply to a thread?

 

Deactivation procedures is covered by the manual. (More specifically, page 18 of the quick start manual.)

 

Please define your problem a bit closer - what do you mean by "the way it should be" or not running the game right? Are you having FPS problems or something else?

 

Finally - you formatted your system 5 times lately? O.o

[rabbit102]

have formatted lately...Fps are horrible....and should not be with the hardware i have

i tried everthing turn off most settings possible and no frame change....and turn nvida control panel stuff down..no change....thats why i have reinstalled so many time... updated all drivers...no change.....

my procesor is dual 3.0ghz

and when the game start there is an error that some does not .dll something

Edited May 7, 2009 by rabbit102

[beugnen]

sadly this game is cpu bound for flight mechanics at this time just like fsx, however unlike fsx, bs makes little use of any modern 3d card features for eye candy (still looks like LOMAC).

 

i believe they are working to address this though

[nomdeplume]

you say single core should run the game.

my amd 6000+,gtx260, and 4gig of mem cant run this game right or the way it should be.

when is this prob going to be addresseded.

next question is how do you disable the game so you can format your system..tried the protect.exe and still lost 5 installs... please advise.

 

What OS are you running - XP or Vista? What is the exact error message you're getting when you start the game? I don't get any errors and I don't think it's normal to, so that might be related.

 

I have a Core 2 6600 (2.4ghz) and an 8800 GTX, playing at 1680x1050 on XP with most of the settings on low and I get decent framerates. Busy areas it can drop to a little under 30 FPS, and the worst I've seen it at is around 15. The "scenes" level in particular seems to be a big drain on my system.

 

I think it's mostly CPU-bound though. Are you using DCSMax? This should help particularly if you're running Vista.

[CAT_101st]

That CPU is holding back your GPU realy bad. I had a AMD x2 6400 and was gitting 15-25FPS. Just buy changing to a new x4 made a great improvment to the game even at 3Gh I would sugest to get a x3 or x4 Phenom if tou have a AM+ socket. Thet searies of CPU you have realy sucks (I know) The big problem is the cash in the CPU you only have 2mb the newer AMD's have 6-8 mb. Wile you have the speed you dont have the thrueput to keep up with your GPU and the game.

[rabbit102]

os is vista 64 bit and i can play orther sims with no prob....so in my opinion this should not be the issue...the game spec is the prob ....says this

 

A: Minimum system requirements: OS: Windows XP, Vista; CPU: Pentium 4 2 GHz; RAM: 2 GB; Graphics card: 256 MB DirectX 9 compatible; Sound card; 5 GB of free space on HDD; DVD ROM (for boxed version); Keyboard; Mouse; Copy protected, requires internet activation.

 

Recommended system requirements: OS: Windows XP, Vista; CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo or AMD X2; RAM: 3 GB; Graphics card: 512+ MB DirectX 9 compatible (ATI HD 4850+ or nVidia 8800+); Sound card; 5 GB of free space on HDD; DVD ROM (for boxed version); Keyboard; Mouse; Joystick; Copy protected, requires internet

 

now dont you think this pc should play it fine?i do or this is bs and you need a super pc to run it witch would mean there specs is bull...says nothing about quad cores

[EtherealN]

First of all, you need to define what FPS you are having and find to be bad.

 

Secondly, are you using a tool to set affinity on it? That will boost your FPS massively, if you don't. (Search for DCSMax.)

 

Thirdly, "other sims" is no guarantee - many other simulators only run very simplified simulation engines, whereas DCS:BS is very hardcore in simulating momentums and airflows and so on. Simulators like IL-2, Microsoft Flight Simulator and so on don't even come close to the complexity that the CPU has to work with here. And as CAT_101 said, there are variations within each line of CPU's that are difficult for the developer to explicitly state - to make it full they'd have a five paragraph dissertation on what kind of L2/L3-caches would be needed, memory bus widths and so on. And then most people wouldn't understand anything of it.

 

But I have played it on my 2GHz Core2 mobile with a GeForce 8600, and it didn't have any trouble at all, so as far as I can see the specs are actually quite good on.

 

It might be that it's not the specifications, but your system, that is having a problem. The more detailed information you get the easier it will be to figure out.

 

EDIT/ADDING:

i tried everthing turn off most settings possible and no frame change....and turn nvida control panel stuff down..no change....thats why i have reinstalled so many time... updated all drivers...no change.....

 

That one from previous is one of the things where you went wrong. You assumed the lack of performance was due to your graphics card. It's not. Ignore your graphics card being better than the Recommended, if your CPU can't cope with the workload your GPU won't have anything to do anyhow.

Edited May 7, 2009 by EtherealN
added a clarification

[goldfinger35]

Rabbit, use DCSMAX to use all cores. Lower some settings like mirrors, shadows, water and you should be o.k.

I have played this game on my old P4@3GHZ and 2gb ram and it was playable but your pc is much faster and with some adjusting you should get 30fps+ most of the time.

[EtherealN]

The big problem is the cash in the CPU you only have 2mb the newer AMD's have 6-8 mb.

 

Actually, I've found several that would fit on "AMD 6000+", and if it's the Brisbane core he'd have 1024KB L2 only, not 2MB. AND in both cases it would appear to not be shared L2, so for Windsor core it's 2MB L2 cache BUT each core can only access 1MB. Brisbane core it would be 512KB per core. That is... Not good... :P

 

But my personal suspicion is that the OP either has some impressive notions of where his FPS should be (indicated by the automatic assumption, to the point of computer chain-formatting, that it could be only his GPU that's causing low FPS), and that the problem will be solved the moment core affinity is set.

[rabbit102]

well i do have dcsmax most frames on the deck 30 to 40...but when i take off it drops to 15 and 20.....with all eye candy turned to lowest settings...but min spec say should run better on dual core not just quad....the game skips frams and is horrible from that aspect....there should be something like and opitumzion done for this this sim....i'm beta tester for arca sim racing and we had prob like this b/c the sim didnt get graphic otpz before it was released is this the prob ... for this sim as well?

and further more racing sims use more phx than flight sims in turn use the crap out the cpu....so answer the question well this be fixed?

Edited May 7, 2009 by rabbit102

[GGTharos]

What resolution are you running at?

Which mission are you playing?

Post a short track please and tell where your FPS is dropping.

 

And please don't speculate on optimization - it's a dead-end.

Edited May 7, 2009 by GGTharos

[rabbit102]

i even tried mod mans addons and stuff. it drops the visuls but frames are the same..i'll tell you like i told robert coulter owner of simfactory

it great but if you dont fix prob like this it wont last.

people dont have the money like they did at one point and are not going to buy another cpu or motherboard just b/c the manufactor say to after they f -up with spec of the sim

Edited May 7, 2009 by rabbit102

[GGTharos]

People are trying to help you. Answer the questions - so far it seems most people aren't having such issues. ;)

[rabbit102]

i have answer there question...you asked fps, and one asked dcs max.....tried them all... looked all over the forms...tried all graphic tweaks... game need to be optumaized for better play

what is there left to say.... not bashing just disappointed b/c its a great sim....and cant play it the way it should...i think my down fall was buying the download ...should have waited on dvd....but yet a agin reading the forms seems that makes no difference

when can an issue like this be addressed and fixed....online or off line fps drop... res i droped it to the lowest setting possible then to the highest 800/600 to 1920/1020 no change

Edited May 7, 2009 by rabbit102

[EtherealN]

i'm beta tester for arca sim racing and we had prob like this b/c the sim didnt get graphic otpz before it was released is this the prob ... for this sim as well?

 

As I and others have already stated: It is not the graphics that is slowing you down.

 

It's your CPU.

 

This is an extremely detailed flight simulator where the CPU is asked to actually simulate the aerodynamics and avionics, lasers, radios etcetera that are part of the aircraft and it's environment.

 

So, again: IT IS NOT THE GRAPHICS.

 

Your CPU just doesn't manage to crank out the aerodynamic simulations fast enough to support a higher FPS.

 

and further more racing sims use more phx than flight sims in turn use the crap out the cpu....so answer the question well this be fixed?

 

I'll say this again:

IT IS NOT THE GRAPHICS.

 

people dont have the money like they did at one point and are not going to buy another cpu or motherboard just b/c the manufactor say to after they f -up with spec of the sim

 

They did not "f -up" the recommended system spec list. Give detailed information on the system and we can help point you to what the problem is - so far we've made a few qualified guesses based on "AMD 6000+", but cannot make a proper analysis of the issue until you specify better. There's several AMD products that have had names like that and they differ dramatically on some rather important characteristics, like the L2 cache as mentioned earlier.

 

Yet you keep returning to the topic of graphics optimization as if the graphics are somehow related to the issue - they are NOT.

[rabbit102]

windows vista ultmate 64

amd athlon 64x2 dual core processor 6000+

4.00 gb ram

nvidia gtx 260

[GGTharos]

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=686259&postcount=12

[EtherealN]

- REMOVED SINCE IT BECAME REDUNDANT WHILE TYPING IT -

 

There's two processors close to or at that, both on the name and clock. One with 2x1MB L2 cache and one with 2x512KB L2 cache. In both instances that's not really impressive but the difference between the two, at the same clock frequency, can make a massive amount of difference.

 

Then:

 

looked all over the forms...tried all graphic tweaks... game need to be optumaized for better play

 

[...]

 

res i droped it to the lowest setting possible then to the highest 800/600 to 1920/1020 no change

 

Again...

IGNORE THE GRAPHICS.

 

If your CPU/memory solution can't perform higher than X amount of frames per second, you could run the game with purely wireframe graphics and you wouldn't gain a single FPS.

 

Stop assuming that the graphics have anything to do with it. It doesn't.

Edited May 7, 2009 by EtherealN

[EtherealN]

windows vista ultmate 64

amd athlon 64x2 dual core processor 6000+

4.00 gb ram

nvidia gtx 260

 

Cheers, which clock speed is that RAM running at?

 

EDIT: Good news is that that makes it the one of the two that has more L2. It's still low though.

 

Do you have FRAPS? It would be interesting to see a FRAPS benchmark (in full data form, not just the summary). That together with a track as requested by GG could make it possible to figure out what exactly it is that is causing your system to get overworked.

 

But one note:

You seem to be under the impression that the "Recommended" specification is "this system will mega-ace the shit out of this game and run everything mind-numbingly fast". That's not what it is. The Minimum reqs are "this is what you really-really need to be able to run the sim at all", and the recommended are a recommendation - that is, "it will work with less but I really recommend that you have at least this".

Edited May 7, 2009 by EtherealN

[rabbit102]

track... as in ? and i told it makes no differnce in the map on or off line

800 clock... but like i said your recommend spec's say this is great

nothing about mem clock speed

 

Recommended system requirements: OS: Windows XP, Vista; CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo or AMD X2; RAM: 3 GB; Graphics card: 512+ MB DirectX 9 compatible (ATI HD 4850+ or nVidia 8800+); Sound card; 5 GB of free space on HDD; DVD ROM (for boxed version); Keyboard; Mouse; Joystick; Copy protected, requires internet

Edited May 7, 2009 by rabbit102

[GGTharos]

Some missions are extremely intensive. DCS generates a track file every time you fly, I believe you can find something like 'LastMission.trk' in the temp folder.

 

Additionally once you finish/exit a mission you get a button that says 'save track'. Make a short one please, and post it. Literally do your takeoff, note where your FPS drops, wait a few seconds, end the mission, save the track.

[rabbit102]

here a track...fps on the deck 14

[GGTharos]

Thanks. I'll look at it in a few hours (I don't have DCS here) but someone else might be able to look at it before this.

[EtherealN]

but like i said your recommend spec's say this is great

nothing about mem clock speed

 

"Like I said", they cannot include stuff about every single possible computer parameter in something like the recommended or required specification, because then it would become a really long treatise that 90% of the customers wouldn't understand.

 

However: the recommended spec's doesn't say that your system is "great", and no-one except YOU has say that the recommended spec's say your computer is "great". In fact, your CPU, which is the critical component, is right smack on the recommendation. You do have "great" on the graphics capability through that graphics card, but that won't rescue the CPU. A given system will only perform as good as it's weakest link, and different applications have differing demands. With most computer games it's really the graphics card that governs performance, because that's where most of the effort the computer has to expend is placed.

 

But DCS:BS is an extremely realistic flight simulator that has a LOT of calculations to do, which means the CPU is the bottleneck. Tweaking graphics in that situation is an exercise in futility, because it's not there that the problem is anyway. It's like putting racing wings on a 60hp Fiat Punto to try get it to go faster...