XR Neck Safer not working?

[MStewart40]

I upgraded to the Pimax Crystal Light, and ever since my XR Necker Safer has stopped working. I can see the pilots head move left or right in the mirror but my view doesn't change, it worked perfectly fine with my G2, and still works perfectly fine within IL-2. DCS is listed in the app screen along with IL-2. Any advice on how to get this working again, sure would be appreciated.

 

[speed-of-heat]

a couple of things one , make sure the api order is correct XRNeck safer should be first (top) in this tool Release v2024.01.17 · fredemmott/OpenXR-API-Layers-GUI (github.com)

second if you are some how using steam VR as an OPenXR provider then XRNecksafer will not work 

[actually_fred]

FWIW, the tool does not automatically suggest that ordering because while it may currently be necessary, it is not technically correct, and it can have visible problems. The most likely cause for "must be on top" requirements is bugs in the layer; if ordering is required for the game to work at all (to avoid crashes, "doesn't start in VR" etc) rather than just for 'correctness', this is especially likely to indicate a bug.

For these kinds of API layers that change how your real-world movement affects in-game movement, the 'correct' ordering is:

1. The game itself (not part of the list)
2. Any other API layer
3. API layers that *modify* what your hardware reports the state of your real-world input is, e.g. XRNS and XRMC
4. API layers that are hardware drivers (e.g. the ultraleap driver)
5. The runtime (not part of the list)

Using XRNS make it 'as if' you moved your head more - so  - again in theory - it should be as close to the driver that reports 'you moved your head this much as possible'.

In a correctly functioning world, the only difference layer order would have (other than the 'driver' kind like ultraleap) is "what parts of the stack are affected?" - for example, combined with OpenKneeboard, OpenKneeboard would either be locked to the real world (i.e. your room), or to the game world (i.e. your in-game rendered cockpit) depending on how it was ordered. Generally you want it anchored to the game world, so 'after openkneeboard' is theoretically correct outside of niche cases.

Edited July 17, 2024 by actually_fred

[actually_fred]

20 hours ago, speed-of-heat said:

a couple of things one , make sure the api order is correct XRNeck safer should be first (top) in this tool Release v2024.01.17 · fredemmott/OpenXR-API-Layers-GUI (github.com)

second if you are some how using steam VR as an OPenXR provider then XRNecksafer will not work 

Also, that link is rather outdated -  there's been 4 new versions since then. Please link to https://github.com/fredemmott/OpenXR-API-Layers-GUI/releases/latest in the future instead (as the text at the top says).

[speed-of-heat]

apologies ... 

[MStewart40]

Thank you actually_fred, I deleted my old version and upgraded to the beta5a version, which was a dream to install compared to the older versions. The only problem I'm having is when I look back it throws me outside the cockpit to one side or the other, any idea how to fix that? I just want to snap view 80* left and right behind me, to check my 6, nothing to elaborate. I have 3 fused vertebrate in my neck from a misspent youth, that limits my head rotation, so this app is absolutely awesome. Thx

[actually_fred]

Sorry, I don't use XRNS, and I'm unable to support other peoples' software.

[Maddaawg]

The settings can be really confusing. Here are my settings, start there and tweak.

 

 

Edited July 23, 2024 by Maddaawg

[StiC]

My pimax Crystal displays freeze when I use the buttons assigned to snap view after enabling the new quad views option in the DCS VR settings.

[Sirokko]

Guys a little help ....

I m using Pimax Crystal and Neck safer ......

After i get in cockpit and try to turn my head left or right the game stack completly ind need restart the DCS....any suggestion ?

thank you 

[speed-of-heat]

1 hour ago, Sirokko said:

Guys a little help ....

I m using Pimax Crystal and Neck safer ......

After i get in cockpit and try to turn my head left or right the game stack completly ind need restart the DCS....any suggestion ?

thank you 

i don't quite understand what you are saying ?  

But

1) make sure your center XR Necksafer and your VR center in DCS are assigned to the same button 

2) make sure that XR Necksafer is first in the API stack using the latest release of GitHub - fredemmott/OpenXR-API-Layers-GUI: UI for managing OpenXR API layers

 

 

[Kirk66]

Try unchecking the "use eye tracking" box in DCS. That fixed the same problem I had using a Quest Pro.

Keep the "foveated rendering" box checked.

[MStewart40]

I'm sorry this is still driving crazy, I tried all the settings Maddaawg, posted but that just makes it worse. When I toggle my hat switch back and to the left it just swivels my view around to pointing directly down at the seat with his posted settings. I'm using the Beta 5a version, all I want is a snap view 80 degrees over my left or right shoulder. as it stands now with my settings, I get a slewing effect out the opposite side of the cockpit while trying to look back left or right, rather than a stationary snap view over my shoulder. Any ideas, how to fix this I would greatly appreciate. I have my views set to work on my hat switch back and to the left or right, release and should snap to centered forward view. The API is at the top of the list. These simple settings worked perfect with the version prior to 5a. Thx

Edited October 28, 2024 by MStewart40
Problem solved, for some reason loaded DCS tonight and after returning the setting back to what they were originally it's working perfect! Perhaps resetting it to default, then entering the settings again fixed it.

[_GTN_Nick]

[Maddaawg]

17 hours ago, MStewart40 said:

I have my views set to work on my hat switch back and to the left or right, release and should snap to centered forward view.

I don't use my hat switch or any switch, mine activates upon my looking far enough left,right or up.

[MStewart40]

Wow, that's wild! Curious does this technique even work with a Crystal Light?

[speed-of-heat]

it works with everything

[MStewart40]

On 10/28/2024 at 2:44 PM, Maddaawg said:

I don't use my hat switch or any switch, mine activates upon my looking far enough left,right or up.

So, I just gotta ask what do you have left, and right keys set to, to make this work?

[EightyDuce]

40 minutes ago, MStewart40 said:

So, I just gotta ask what do you have left, and right keys set to, to make this work?

Not sure about his specific setup, but in mine, I have no defined keys for left and right. Simply turning your head (left, right, up, down) to the set limit at which NS kicks in is sufficient. Only key I have bound is Center command.

Hopefully makes sense.

[speed-of-heat]

7 hours ago, MStewart40 said:

So, I just gotta ask what do you have left, and right keys set to, to make this work?

You don't set them to anything... Just use rotation of the head.

The only key I have set is centre

[Maddaawg]

9 hours ago, MStewart40 said:

So, I just gotta ask what do you have left, and right keys set to, to make this work?

As stated above, the setting are in my screen grab above.

[speed-of-heat]

yep this, smooth, can be a little disorientating at first, but you can get used to it very quickly with practice 

[MStewart40]

Thank you, guy's, really appreciate that information. I'm going to try it!

[Abarth595]

Hi sorry to jump on thread ,but just cant get xrns to work with my new crystal light ,no prob with my g2 ,i have installed and reinstalled the program along with the new open xr layer tool ,.what i get is when i center the position in cockpit and turn my head all i get is the dash coming towards me or away from me in a bit of an arc  ,it seems like its 90 degrees out or something ?? i have tried it with the toolkit disabled and still the same ,any ideas ??

regards 

[speed-of-heat]

when you use the Open XR Layer API , make sure that XRNexcksafer is first