Simply these AI Aircraft Needed badly

[Rdiehl3]

Bf-110

He-111

B-24

 

[Gunfreak]

109G is the most important. So we can have actual somewhat realistic scenarios for 43 to 45.

[Bowie]

On 8/4/2024 at 2:32 AM, Gunfreak said:

109G is the most important. So we can have actual somewhat realistic scenarios for 43 to 45.

Wonder how much trouble it would be to convert the bf-109K-4, and offer it like the clipped wing option mdl. for the Spitfire.

Even if it was simply a cannon armament/ammo change from 30mm to 20mm, and some liveries to match.

Considered doing the relatively simple file mod, but didn't like the idea of a bastard A/C if going on-line.

 

Bowie

[Gunfreak]

Just now, Bowie said:

Wonder how much trouble it would be to convert the bf-109K-4, and offer it like the clipped wing option mdl. for the Spitfire.

Even if it was simply a cannon armament/ammo change from 30mm to 20mm, and some liveries to match.

Considered doing the relatively simple file mod, but didn't like the idea of a bastard A/C if going on-line.

 

Bowie

The G models(Except for 10/14) were quite a bit slower than Spitfire and P47. The K4 is like 100kmh faster than the Spitfire in DCS. So to simulate the G6. A major speed/power nerf is needed for the K4. In 1943 flyia MkIX you shouldn't have to much trouble overtaking any of the 109s or 190s you'd meet. In DCS you'll never catch a 109 Except in tight turns. You can't even turn off the MW50 in the k4. As it seems the AI always use the MW50 even if you remove it.

[Bowie]

10 minutes ago, Gunfreak said:

The G models(Except for 10/14) were quite a bit slower than Spitfire and P47. The K4 is like 100kmh faster than the Spitfire in DCS. So to simulate the G6. A major speed/power nerf is needed for the K4. In 1943 flyia MkIX you shouldn't have to much trouble overtaking any of the 109s or 190s you'd meet. In DCS you'll never catch a 109 Except in tight turns. You can't even turn off the MW50 in the k4. As it seems the AI always use the MW50 even if you remove it.

Have been spending a lot of time in the P-51D-25 of late, against AI bf-109K-4's and FW-190A's, Trained or Veteran/Ace skill level, and have done very well against them (with a notch of flaps), including running them down. (though not fully fueled, but rather a 41% close combat load)

Spend a lot of time trimming the A/C, and it makes a difference.

 

Bowie

Edited August 5, 2024 by Bowie

[Gunfreak]

16 minutes ago, Bowie said:

Have been spending a lot of time in the P-51D-25 of late, against AI bf-109K-4's and FW-190A's, Trained or Veteran/Ace skill level, and have done very well against them (with a notch of flaps), including running them down. (though not fully fueled, but rather a 41% close combat load)

Spend a lot of time trimming the A/C, and it makes a difference.

 

Bowie

 

But the p51D is same generation as k4. The Spitfire is 43 model. So those are apples and oranges. That said as long as the AI goes into a turn fight you'll always win in a Spitfire. But that's not the point. The point is to have the correct German aircraft for historical missions and campaigns. The k4 was used late late late 44. Didn't actually fight over Normandy or channel front at all.

[Bowie]

1 hour ago, Gunfreak said:

But the p51D is same generation as k4. The Spitfire is 43 model. So those are apples and oranges. That said as long as the AI goes into a turn fight you'll always win in a Spitfire. But that's not the point. The point is to have the correct German aircraft for historical missions and campaigns. The k4 was used late late late 44. Didn't actually fight over Normandy or channel front at all.

Well, there wasn't a whole lot of any air fighting over Normandy.

 

Ardens Offensive and on seems about right, late '44.

But an early, less powerful bf-109G, w/ MG 17's and the higher capacity 20mm cannon, a/o a later one w/ the 20mm and MG 131's.

Would be happy with any of that, as long as it was native DCS.

 

Bowie

[Gunfreak]

7 hours ago, Bowie said:

Well, there wasn't a whole lot of any air fighting over Normandy.

 

 

The geographical area that is covered on the Normandy map saw fighting from 39 to mid 44. Including dozens of B17 raids. What it did not see was K4s, or D9s nor the particular types of P47 and 51 we have in game. Only the Spitfire, Mossie, and A8 actually saw fighting in that area. Same goes for Channel map. 

Now the A8 is a perfectly good stand in for all Antons from A5 and out. As they are generally were terrible dogfighters and were aimed at anti-bomber and ground attack work. So preformance wise in DCS A5, A6, A7 and A8 won't be much different. However the K4 has vastly improved preformance over any of the earlier 109s. Be it F or Gs. And that does negatively affect gameplay like when flying Reflected's Spitfire campaigns set in 42 or 43. Or his P47 campaign set in 43/44.