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This is just a preview of the Stick.

Question which springs to mind is the longevity of the components.

I know it's early days but will it be hard wearing as the TM Stick?  

 

 

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I like the forward rake built in, the better materials, that they've kept the switch functions correct rather than forcing extra functions in that would require ergonomic changes to be effective, the adjustable hand rest.

I dislike the site not stating clearly base compatibility.

Ordered one and it'll go on my realsim force sensing base so we'll see how well made it is pretty quickly (it only takes a few hours for TM grips to become wobbly)

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They only gave a pre view to be fair., not sure about the quality of the plastic buttons in use.

will see what others say about it that can give a in depth  review.

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I'm going more off their website, the video didn't provide any information that wasn't already provided there.

The lack of base compatibility info is shocking. Will it work on a TM? I'm guessing yes but not the addon module. What about other bases that need to know what grip you have fitted? It's not hard to test, there aren't that many.

I'll test it on TM, VPC and RS.

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11 hours ago, Scott-S6 said:

The page has changed from pre-order to buy now. My order hasn't shipped yet.

Email them if you haven't their logistics are not every good.

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Same issue we had with the AB9 base. I had to "enquire" to get mine shipped out.

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Hi. I got my AB9 Base about 5 weeks ago.

the Base itself is nice and heavy, but not heavy enoough to be used with a longer stick extension without being screwed to somewhat. the regukar short stick directly attahed to it as in most jets should work.

Concerning compability: They say it is compatible with the Virpil stick. you can select the Virpil Alpha Grip in the moza software, but the slweing/chinese hat axis is not working, Mails and mails with Moza they are telling me the slweing hat is not supported yet.

So keep this in mind when ordering, only buttons work right now, not the axis switches on the base.

If somebody is using the MH16 Stick with the base, let me know about slewing axis buttons on this stick

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13 hours ago, Kutscha said:

Hi. I got my AB9 Base about 5 weeks ago.

the Base itself is nice and heavy, but not heavy enoough to be used with a longer stick extension without being screwed to somewhat. the regukar short stick directly attahed to it as in most jets should work.

Concerning compability: They say it is compatible with the Virpil stick. you can select the Virpil Alpha Grip in the moza software, but the slweing/chinese hat axis is not working, Mails and mails with Moza they are telling me the slweing hat is not supported yet.

So keep this in mind when ordering, only buttons work right now, not the axis switches on the base.

If somebody is using the MH16 Stick with the base, let me know about slewing axis buttons on this stick

This grip doesn't have any analogue axis.

Kutscha

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Yes it does.

The Grip/Axis switch on the top left is working fine with the Virpil Base. But not with the Moza.

After complaining wit the Moza support they said, this function is not yet supported by the Moza software.

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On 11/13/2024 at 7:55 AM, Kutscha said:

Yes it does.

The Grip/Axis switch on the top left is working fine with the Virpil Base. But not with the Moza.

After complaining wit the Moza support they said, this function is not yet supported by the Moza software.

Are you talking about the Alpha or the MH16? The MH16 (which is what this thread is about) doesn't have an analogue stick.

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Sorry, my one. The Virpil Alpha.

But the NMH16 does not have any axis to slew around a cursor? just single directions on all the hats? Meaning all buttons?

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2 hours ago, Kutscha said:

Sorry, my one. The Virpil Alpha.

But the NMH16 does not have any axis to slew around a cursor? just single directions on all the hats? Meaning all buttons?

Correct. The winwing F16EX has a castle switch and an analogue stick on the expansion module, the MH16 has a castle switch and a three pos latching toggle.

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Some initial comments, more to come. (I'll be testing it on a variety of bases and taking it apart)

Moza didn't update my order to shipped and give me the tracking number until the day after it was delivered, which is useless. Packaging was fine.

All of the hat switches have push so the two they do describe are described incorrectly (their website is horrible), to confirm: they are all 5 way. They describe the trim as 8 way, it's 5 way but you can push a diagonal and get both adjacent functions (i.e. pushing up/left gives you up and left rather than a separate button). The hat switches are pretty good. They have a nice tactile click in all directions, a little slop but not too bad. The push is stiff enough that you don't accidentally activate it. No need to use them carefully to avoid that like with virpil.

The trigger has two tactile clicks but they're very weak. It also has a grinding spring noise as you pull it. Not great.

The three buttons and paddle switch have no tactile click and are softly sprung. Disappointing. The paddle is very rigid and has a very positive texture.

Can't tell if the tailpipe is cast or machined from the outside (it's painted and has good surface texture). Also interested to see how it's attached to the base (the slot in the nut suggests that it's very similar to the TM and will become loose fore and aft with heavy forces). It has a separate connector that can be rotated but it has the lugs that engage with bases that have TM style attachment so cannot be rotated on those.

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Testing - 

On a Warthog base the buttons and hats mostly work. The expansion module does not work and the press doesn't work on any hat except the CMS. However, the CMS press is triggered in addition to the direction when moved in any direction, even when taking great care not to actuate the press. This is either a compatibility issue or an electrical fault... The nut fits the base very well, better than the TM nut. 

On a RealSim FSSB base, it gets the same results. The tailpipe doesn't fit the base well resulting in a left-right rotational slop even when tightened down.

On a Virpil CM2 base, it gets the same results again. Fits well enough.

 

I had expected that the extra functions may likely not work but the faulty CMS is a problem. I'll be raising a ticket with Moza on this. CMS Right, Left and Press shown below.

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So bottom line is the Moza is not on par with the Warthog stick?

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Got a response back from Moza about the CMS functioning incorrectly. Apparently this is just how it acts on 3rd party bases. That is rubbish. You can use the four directions but not the push and binding them will be a massive hassle in some games and impossible in others.

ETA - I'm still talking to Moza about this and have challenged them as to which bases they believe it is compatible with. 

Their website says "Effortless plug-and-play compatibility ensures it fits most bases seamlessly" which currently appears to be an outright lie. 

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On 11/22/2024 at 8:54 AM, rapid said:

So bottom line is the Moza is not on par with the Warthog stick?

As a versatile stick for use with various bases? Warthog with a steel 3d printed tailpipe that has the angle built in is approximately the same price and better. I've just put that back onto my realsim fssb.

I like the better materials, the engraving on the top, the adjustable palm shelf. The poor buttons let it down and the CMS issue will be an annoyance every time you try and bind it. The press on all hats and all functions of the expansion module don't work.

For use with the Moza base if you're using it sidestick and don't have a TM? You get a few extra presses and the 3pos switch. The hat switch on the extension module is ergonomically useless. The forward angle is basically essential for a sidestick. It's the same price as the warthog once you add the forward rake to the warthog. If Moza support the virpil alpha properly then that'll be the best sidestick grip for it. For center stick use - warthog or virpil.

 

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Looking at the weinullght between the two the Moza is about half the weight of the TM.

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Internal construction is okay. As expected the hat switches are just regular tactile switches in a plastic holder.

The tailpipe is connected the same way as a TM but is a much better fit for the shell so it ought to resist the fore-aft slop problem at least somewhat. My guess is that the tailpipe is a MIM part which would be very sensible (better than the cast zinc on the warthog).

Whoever did the alu castings did a pretty good job. They aren't bad at all and there are machining operations on the cast parts to ensure a good fit (odd that it seems at least some of the machining was done after painting - was the plan that they would not need to do this?). The shell fits back together well. The only hassle on reassembly is the spring for the trigger. Also, all of the shell screws are identical which makes things slightly easier. (They do spoil this by having two different screws for the expansion module which also requires two screwdrivers, neither of which is the one for the shell screws)

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So, overall? I wanted to like the MH16 but the buttons, the issue with the CMS switch (not being able to use the CMS push is not acceptable) and the poor fit to a realsim base means it's no good for my use case.

If you've got a Moza base setup sidestick then the MH16 or the Virpil Alpha (if Moza get their support for it sorted) should be at the top of your list. Not many grips available with the correct forward rake built in.

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