Will we ever see the legendary V

[Mainstay]

I for one would love to see the V being brought to us one day.

I enjoy playing the P but i doesn't feel like the nostalgic HIND i loved to watch at airshows and in documentaries. 

And besides it was the most widely produced version.

 

Since a lot has already been developed it doesn't seem like you have to make a completely new product...

 

[bies]

And turret gun control would be engaging and interesting for the gunner.

[Mainstay]

Yeah kinda weird they don’t make one since they can do it for the Apache… really disappointed 

[AeriaGloria]

On 11/22/2024 at 5:07 AM, bies said:

And turret gun control would be engaging and interesting for the gunner.

Not to mention, since it’s descended from Tu-16 turret, it also air to air modes 

AND, it can be used for a pseudo CCRP bomb mode, where CPG points at target, and using radar altimeter and correct bomb ballistic input will drop bomb at correct spot provided Pilot has done drift correction 

The CPG can even choose to use barometric altitude data manually put in, or offset the radar altitude to adjust for any known terrain elevation changes in any air to ground mode 

[LorenLuke]

On 11/22/2024 at 7:44 AM, Mainstay said:

Yeah kinda weird they don’t make one since they can do it for the Apache… really disappointed 

If you've seen the actual controls for the YakB, it's this massive contraption that looks kind of like those binocular viewing things you put a coin in and look around the bay, or from the Observation deck of the empire state building or whatever. As far as I could tell, it's something that requires two hands and even then is aimed by a reflex/holographic sight.

I can't find it, but I do recall reading a translation of an interview given by one of the people working on the Hind P for DCS, and they mentioned this was a deliberate choice: if the pilot does, the gunner can control the aircraft without losing the functionality of the gun. I presume this to be since they can aim it via a fixed sight AND don't have to take their hands off the flight controls to operate it, this was ultimately one of the reasons why. Also, the GSh30-2 long is a rather chunky and high-velocity cartridge, so it has decent armor stopping power and a flatter trajectory, versus the YakB's 12.7mm (personally the middle ground of the VP's turreted GSh23-2 would be the best option, but I digress).

I still think, reasoning aside, the turret would be more fun for the pilot-operator's seat and gives them more engaging things to do, besides navigation, countermeasures, firing 4/8 missiles, and then that's it, however, the point of this post is to show that there was reasoning (and a reasoning I understand, even if I don't completely agree) in choosing the P variant Hind.

 

[AeriaGloria]

1 hour ago, LorenLuke said:

If you've seen the actual controls for the YakB, it's this massive contraption that looks kind of like those binocular viewing things you put a coin in and look around the bay, or from the Observation deck of the empire state building or whatever. As far as I could tell, it's something that requires two hands and even then is aimed by a reflex/holographic sight.

I can't find it, but I do recall reading a translation of an interview given by one of the people working on the Hind P for DCS, and they mentioned this was a deliberate choice: if the pilot does, the gunner can control the aircraft without losing the functionality of the gun. I presume this to be since they can aim it via a fixed sight AND don't have to take their hands off the flight controls to operate it, this was ultimately one of the reasons why. Also, the GSh30-2 long is a rather chunky and high-velocity cartridge, so it has decent armor stopping power and a flatter trajectory, versus the YakB's 12.7mm (personally the middle ground of the VP's turreted GSh23-2 would be the best option, but I digress).

I still think, reasoning aside, the turret would be more fun for the pilot-operator's seat and gives them more engaging things to do, besides navigation, countermeasures, firing 4/8 missiles, and then that's it, however, the point of this post is to show that there was reasoning (and a reasoning I understand, even if I don't completely agree) in choosing the P variant Hind.

 

What they had said was 

1. Interviewing active duty Mi-24 pilots said that the YakB was not very useful as a gun. And the P was vastly preferred. You can also see this in how the P models have outlasted the V in greater numbers in both Russian and Ukrainian Service 

2. they had also said that yes, both pilot and CPG can use the Gsh-30-2K while flying but as you correctly said, the CPG cannot use the gun and fly at the same time. The gun can be locked to boresight and used by the pilot with CCIP the same way we can currently with the GUV pods 

So yeah, the P was chosen because its firepower makes it more useful and desirable to many in DCS, and they thought it could be fun for CPG also, but I really think that’s just to justify the decision. In the end I believe it was really just about firepower 

https://stormbirds.blog/2021/01/09/new-dcs-mi-24p-information-translated-from-russian-interview/

Edited November 28, 2024 by AeriaGloria