More AG / Mig-29SM

[0vbb]

I know that this is probably not on the table (variant is Mig-29A) but nevertheless:

More air-to-ground capabilities would greatly enhance the mission spectrum of the module.

E.g. with a Mig-29SM variant. Till then I have to hope for Mig-23 still being finished

[F-2]

10 minutes ago, 0vbb said:

I know that this is probably not on the table (variant is Mig-29A) but nevertheless:

More air-to-ground capabilities would greatly enhance the mission spectrum of the module.

E.g. with a Mig-29SM variant. Till then I have to hope for Mig-23 still being finished

They have the 9.18 SMT radar manual, they seemed interested but more is needed on the cockpit.

[0vbb]

Am 18.10.2024 um 23:09 schrieb F-2:

They have the 9.18 SMT radar manual, they seemed interested but more is needed on the cockpit.

I'm a little bit struggling with finding cockpit pictures of the Mig29-SM (9.13M).

SMT seems to have 2 large MFDs, while SM is similar to S (minus MT) according to this source: https://www.machtres.com/lang1/mig-29.html

 

So I guess the SM cockpit should not have the 2 MFDs like in the SMT (personally, I like "older" planes without large MFDs more)?

[AeriaGloria]

6 hours ago, 0vbb said:

I'm a little bit struggling with finding cockpit pictures of the Mig29-SM (9.13M).

SMT seems to have 2 large MFDs, while SM is similar to S (minus MT) according to this source: https://www.machtres.com/lang1/mig-29.html

 

So I guess the SM cockpit should not have the 2 MFDs like in the SMT (personally, I like "older" planes without large MFDs more)?

It would need at least one MFD, such as MFI-55. I would assume it’d same as SMT just without the hump (Toplivo) 

[0vbb]

vor 5 Stunden schrieb AeriaGloria:

It would need at least one MFD, such as MFI-55. I would assume it’d same as SMT just without the hump (Toplivo) 

Good point, can't use that magic Mig21 radar doing Grom

 

War Thunder forums seem to kind of contradict the other source I mentioned, here the SM is just some quite "new" Serbian model:

https://forum.warthunder.com/t/mikoyan-gurevich-mig-29-fulcrum-history-design-performance-dissection/28118

 

Though Wikipedia also mentions the 9.13 Fulcrum-C SM as a main variant.

Edited October 20, 2024 by 0vbb

[AeriaGloria]

1 hour ago, 0vbb said:

Good point, can't use that magic Mig21 radar doing Grom

 

War Thunder forums seem to kind of contradict the other source I mentioned, here the SM is just some quite "new" Serbian model:

https://forum.warthunder.com/t/mikoyan-gurevich-mig-29-fulcrum-history-design-performance-dissection/28118

 

Though Wikipedia also mentions the 9.13 Fulcrum-C SM as a main variant.

 

New doesn’t always mean extremely advanced. MiG has two tiers of their top end 29, you have the 29M/29K new builds, which aren’t too far from the MiG-35 Russia uses. But for these older airframes 9-12/9-13 being upgraded, the highest level of upgrade they can receive is SMT, with new Zhuk radar/KOLS and MFD. technologically, I would assume it’s in the same level as the original SMT, just no fuel and possible no jammer if they were originally 9.12

[Seaeagle]

The MiG-29SM (9.13M) pre-dates the -SMT and was the MiG-29S with the addition of guided air-to-ground armament. This was achieved through further modification to the N019 radar (N019MP) with air-to-surface modes and OLS-M EOS (from MiG-29M). I have seen an old grainy photo of the cockpit once and it was just the original "baseline" pit with the IPV replaced by something that looked like a CRT MFD like the ones used for the old MiG-29M/K test aircraft. 

AFAIK the Serbian MiG-29s were indeed upgraded to a more recent -SM standard - i.e. involving a new EOS with a TV channel and presumably upgraded N019 radar allowing the use of TV and radar guided A2G armament.  

 

[Seaeagle]

4 minutes ago, AeriaGloria said:

New doesn’t always mean extremely advanced. MiG has two tiers of their top end 29, you have the 29M/29K new builds, which aren’t too far from the MiG-35 Russia uses. But for these older airframes 9-12/9-13 being upgraded, the highest level of upgrade they can receive is SMT, with new Zhuk radar/KOLS and MFD. technologically, I would assume it’s in the same level as the original SMT, just no fuel and possible no jammer if they were originally 9.12

The 9.13M didn't have(still don't) the re-designed cockpit layout of the -SMT and was based on the 9.13 airframe(without the large SMT hump). So the -SM was the first multirole upgrade for the baseline MiG-29 before the more refined -SMT one came along and is still being offered as a "budget" solution. ECM can be provided via external pods.

BTW the -SMT also had the N019MP radar originally and only later got the Zhuk-M - at one point MIG operated with two -SMT standards("SMT-1" and "SMT-2"), for which the only difference was the choice of radars. 

 

[0vbb]

vor 8 Stunden schrieb Seaeagle:

The MiG-29SM (9.13M) pre-dates the -SMT and was the MiG-29S with the addition of guided air-to-ground armament. This was achieved through further modification to the N019 radar (N019MP) with air-to-surface modes and OLS-M EOS (from MiG-29M). I have seen an old grainy photo of the cockpit once and it was just the original "baseline" pit with the IPV replaced by something that looked like a CRT MFD like the ones used for the old MiG-29M/K test aircraft. 

AFAIK the Serbian MiG-29s were indeed upgraded to a more recent -SM standard - i.e. involving a new EOS with a TV channel and presumably upgraded N019 radar allowing the use of TV and radar guided A2G armament.  

 

Thanks for the detailed explanation!

That's what I was roughly guessing at first based on Wikipedia and the first mentioned source in this thread.

I guess that would also be easier to add compared to the large SMT overhaul.

[Seaeagle]

On 10/21/2024 at 10:17 AM, 0vbb said:

Thanks for the detailed explanation!

That's what I was roughly guessing at first based on Wikipedia and the first mentioned source in this thread.

I guess that would also be easier to add compared to the large SMT overhaul.

You are welcome  .