Will I loose something in DCS switching from a G2 to a Quest 3?

[Galinette]

All is in the title, what do I loose in FOV / Clarity / night flight contrast? Isn't the USB link with compression an issue?

Especially the latter, I had a rather poor experience at the time of the Quest 1, link over USB was causing some slight artifacts, especially visible on the ground when rolling or flying low, but that's a long time ago... Also had frequent loss of audio, which I never had with the G2.

[jcenzano]

Long time since I shelved my G2, which I sold some months ago. As soon as I tried the quest pro, and later the quest 3, I couldn't go back to the G2.

Some people might say that you are losing some punch when it comes to the colors, or that in the very very center point of the display, the resolution is a little bit higher.

But my personal experience is that the feeling that looking through a Q3 or a Q-pro is much more natural. Pancake lenses made me forget that I was looking through lenses and that is a feeling I never had with the G2.

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[diego999]

Clarity and definition from edge to edge of the image triumphs over anything else the G2 might offer over the Quest 3, in my opinion.

[Nedum]

8 hours ago, Galinette said:

All is in the title, what do I loose in FOV / Clarity / night flight contrast? Isn't the USB link with compression an issue?

Especially the latter, I had a rather poor experience at the time of the Quest 1, link over USB was causing some slight artifacts, especially visible on the ground when rolling or flying low, but that's a long time ago... Also had frequent loss of audio, which I never had with the G2.

You will miss:

1: sharpness

The resolution in the sweet spot of the G2 is much, much better!

2. Colors

The Colors of the G2 are better

3. Playtime

The battery will be empty in less than 1.5 hours if you play maxed out using VirtualDesktop

4. Comfort

The Q3 with the standard Headstrap is extremely front heavy. Yes, the Q3 is light, but yes, the Q3 basic Headstrap is BS, to say it nice. You need an extra comfort Headstrap.

5. Sound

The G2 has a so much better sound. No comparison!

 

To make the Quest 3 Simulator ready, you have to invest 150-350+ extra Dollar.

 

If you are looking for a Sim Headset, try a Pimax Crystal Light. This Headset is the better deal if you only want to play Sims.

[Aapje]

8 hours ago, Nedum said:

3. Playtime

The battery will be empty in less than 1.5 hours if you play maxed out using VirtualDesktop

It's not a fair comparison to find fault in the Quest 3 for having a wireless option that the G2 doesn't have. With a powered USB hub, the Quest 2 lasts a very, very long time indeed.

[Hiob]

Well, the sweet spot in the Q3 basically goes from edge to edge. Thats a big plus. I would invest in a more comfortable headstrap that sports an extra (swappable) battery. (~100 bucks)

I never had a G2. But coming from the Index, the Quest 3 is the far superior experience. 

I might add, that I also invested in a Wifi 6E router to take full advantage of virtual desktop.

But even with those additional expenses the Quest 3 was still much more affordable than the Index.

One of the biggest selling points to me was the passthrough. A big game changer for me above the Index to actually using it for DCS.

Oh, and the inside out tracking works great. Another BIG plus above the Index with its damned lighthouses.

Edited November 16, 2024 by Hiob

[jcenzano]

You will miss:
1: sharpness
The resolution in the sweet spot of the G2 is much, much better!

This is very debatable. I think it's only slightly better.

3. Playtime
The battery will be empty in less than 1.5 hours if you play maxed out using

With a 20€ active cable, solved.

5. Sound
The G2 has a so much better sound. No comparison!

Fully agree.

But in general, having logged many hours with both headsets, with a Halo strap and an active cable, the Q3 Overall experience beats the G2 hands down.



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[Maddaawg]

To make the G2 comfortable for me I bought a fairly inexpensive strap, but for the Q3 I went with a BoboVR S3 Pro ($80) and an AMVR Face cover ($35) and then I am using Virtual Desktop ($20), and needed a dedicated 6e router TP-Link AXE5400 ($180) - though you can go much cheaper for a 6e router, especially if you already have a good setup. I also added a BoboVR battery dock ($40) and 2 more batteries($80), so I never run out of power.

This kind of puts you in the price range of a Pimax Crystal Light which I don't have but I may jump to soon. It needs better audio too and a comfortable head strap upgrade.

While the resolution of the sweet spot of the G2 is much better, it is also the size of a straw, so you will notice immediately how much better the Quest 3 is because it is the entire screen. The colors are not as good, the headset is not as comfortable but adjustments with aftermarket products are widely available.

I also use my Q3 for other games and like that I am not tied to my PC.

My G2 is sitting in a box for a good reason.

[johnbowzer]

14 hours ago, Aapje said:

It's not a fair comparison to find fault in the Quest 3 for having a wireless option that the G2 doesn't have. With a powered USB hub, the Quest 2 lasts a very, very long time indeed.

Yup, for the Q3, I use RemoteDesktop, VDXR/Streamer, God mode at 80, and if I figure I want to have a longer session, I just plug in the USB cable to a powered port on my desktop, or my powered USB hub right from the start. I got 3.5 hours that way and still had a bit of juice left. Never pushed it to a battery full drain though.

I had my G2 for 2 and half years. It was great. But after switching to Q3, and particalrly uisng VDXR, and to be fair I am running a RTX4080, for me it is significantly better.

Edited November 17, 2024 by johnbowzer

[Nedum]

On 11/16/2024 at 11:13 AM, Aapje said:

It's not a fair comparison to find fault in the Quest 3 for having a wireless option that the G2 doesn't have. With a powered USB hub, the Quest 2 lasts a very, very long time indeed.

He asked if he would miss something, not if this isn't fair because of restrictions.

[Nedum]

On 11/16/2024 at 1:27 PM, jcenzano said:

 

This is very debatable. I think it's only slightly better.


With a 20€ active cable, solved.


Fully agree.

But in general, having logged many hours with both headsets, with a Halo strap and an active cable, the Q3 Overall experience beats the G2 hands down.



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I can't see how the first point could be debatable?

I clearly can see a Screen door effect within the Quest 3 (yes, I own one ;)), but I can't see one in the G2 (I own it too ;)).

For me, it was and is an absolute downgrade in sharpness.

You have the points with the overall clarity and the really HUGE sweet spot. That's awesome. Fully agree!

The Point with the need of a better Strap, I told so.

 

Over all, someone asked If he would miss something, and I told him, what he would miss if he buys a Quest 3. And I'm told him that he has to invest more money to fix it. None of my points were wrong. So, I have to ask why you guys let it sound like I told something wrong?

 

[jcenzano]

I can't see how the first point could be debatable?
I clearly can see a Screen door effect within the Quest 3 (yes, I own one ;)), but I can't see one in the G2 (I own it too ;)).
For me, it was and is an absolute downgrade in sharpness.
You have the points with the overall clarity and the really HUGE sweet spot. That's awesome. Fully agree!
The Point with the need of a better Strap, I told so.
 
Over all, someone asked If he would miss something, and I told him, what he would miss if he buys a Quest 3. And I'm told him that he has to invest more money to fix it. None of my points were wrong. So, I have to ask why you guys let it sound like I told something wrong?
 

Well, I see slightly (almost imperceptible unless you want to see it) screendoor effect on both.

And in the Q3 is easier to see due also to the bigger clarity in general.

That's why it's debatable, because it's clear that two persons owning both headsets have different opinions.

Now, if you want to talk numbers, the absolute resolution is not what will give you the smallest absolute, or even relative apparent pixel size, which, in turn, is what matters for discerning individual pixels and, in turn creates the screendoor effect.

That is why most of the times, when taking about professional headsets, you add to the equation the pixels por degree (PPD) factor.

Reverb G2 has a PPD of around 19 (https://vrlowdown.com/hp-reverb-g2-vs-pimax-crystal/), while the Quest e has a declared pixel density of 25.

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