How good is the WinWing Software?

[Jyge]

I am using a Thrustmaster Warthog and every now and then I am taking a look around. I am an odd bird in that I really like the Thrustmaster Target (might be the only simmer that actually does, judging from the whining about it). 

Anyway, can anybody give a quick heads-up for WinWing. Does the software provide similar or better scripting capabilities? What I like in Target is, the possibility to chain commands, differentiate between short and long presses. Also I can use some three point switches to change the mappings of other buttons, so I can have a switch to define a ground attack and air-2-air button maps and stuff like that.

How does this work with WinWing? 

Another question. I think I heard from one Youtube review or another that you can mix joystick bases and stuff like that between Virpil and WinWing? Is this correct? In such a case - what do you do with the software?

In this second I have no solid intention of switching, but I would like to know the state of the things, since my Thrustmaster is coming into years and I guess the only viable options are WinWing and VIrpil, whereas I get a slightly better impression about WinWing - it seems to offer more for slightly less money. I actually just ordered WinWing pedals for myself, but there is hardly any relevant symbiosis with the stick and the throttle...

[Phantom711]

No, SimAppPro does not offer that type of scripting as TARGET does (as far as I can tell). 
 

vor 3 Stunden schrieb Jyge:

I think I heard from one Youtube review or another that you can mix joystick bases and stuff like that between Virpil and WinWing?

I don‘t think so. WW once had an adapter, so that you could put a TM stick on a WW base. I don‘t know how that would react if you put a Virpil stick on there. I mean…I would not rule out the possibility completely but it‘s certainly not an advertised feature. Also that adapter is not available anymore.

[Jyge]

So you can only map the buttons directly into DCS? Or can you also map the buttons to keypresses? If not, I guess you can use joy2key or something like that, but it would sound so 20th century...?

Also looking at some reviews or SimAppPro videos on YouTube, it seems that there are also no such things as designating for example the joystick paddle as a "Shift", or was is also possible in DCS...need to check it...

Edited November 23, 2024 by Jyge

[rob10]

SimAppPro binding functionality is pretty limited.  IMO you're much better off to just do it directly in DCS or use something like joy2 key if that's your thing.  Personally I have a number of direct keypress bindings (where I want to combine things or do a basic script of pressing buttons in order) done in AutoHotKey and bind virtually everything else in DCS.

[Jyge]

Isn't the SimAppPro like direct button bindings then? I saw in DCS that you can actually assign something into modifiers, I usually have my Warthog Paddle Switch as a modifier, but in Target. 

I ordered myself the Hotas because of Black Friday, so it got a little bit more concrete since opening this thread. I am not sure what you actually mean with direct keypress bidings or do a basic scipt. Is that a functionality in SimAppPro or do you then do it outside?

Joy2Key isn't really "my thing" - I used is many many years ago, it seems to have gained functionality and seems to be supporting long-press and some other tweaky functions, so it might come close to replicating Target. I wonder whether I can combine the SimAppPro and joy2key. As far as I understood SimAppPro just changes they keymappings in some .lua files and you can map some axes to replicate buttons or axis, so it is rather one dimensional. I suppose the button and axis mapping is then written to respective aircraft keymappings and nothing else.

Well, I guess there is nothing to it, except wait for the delivery and then see how to get it to do my bidding. There are anyway more buttons, so there is less need for the tricks I did with Warthog to squeeze out the functionality...that is also part of the fun for me...

[rob10]

Yes, SimAppPro is basically the same as directly binding in DCS (which is why I don't really see the purpose of using it for that -- I do use it for syncing lights on my throttle (i.e. the A-G and A-A lights)).  You can save the bindings in SimAppPro is the only "advantage" but you can copy the dif.lau's directly in DCS and do the same thing.

By direct keypress I just mean that use AutoHotKey to "virtually" press the equivalent of a keypress (so "z" for example) and that keypress is a keyboard binding in DCS.  So instead of physically pressing Z E F J sequentially on my keyboard I have it set up that one press (defined in my AutoHotKey file) presses Z E F J in sequence.  It can get a lot more sophisticated than that - for example I have a script that presses the various keystrokes to set my F-18 radar up (PRF, AZIM, Range etc) for each of it's modes.

[Joch1955]

Yes, it is easier to just program in DCS directly. Nice thing is that some planes like the F/A-18 already have presets preloaded. DCS also usually has all the possible keypresses/axis available to be programmed and never had any issues assigning what I want to my Winwing Orion 2 which has more buttons/axis than I have been able to use. Another nice thing is that many axis/sliders/switches can be programmed as buttons or axis which makes it easier when you fly a lot of different planes.

[Phantom711]

Am 23.11.2024 um 06:41 schrieb Jyge:

Also looking at some reviews or SimAppPro videos on YouTube, it seems that there are also no such things as designating for example the joystick paddle as a "Shift", or was is also possible in DCS...need to check it...

Yes, in DCS itself you can assign buttons to act as modifiers.