MOZA AB9 not working, no centering force

[Ginsu80]

I just got a AB9, and I can't get DCS to give any centering force at all. When I run the game, in direct mode there is nothing. In telemetry mode I get the effects I have set, as well as integrated mode. But no mater what if I let go of the stick in any module, Helicopter, Jet, Prop, it will just keep the stick where I left it. Triming doesn't seem to do anything. I have Force Feedback Checked on in the settings-misc tab. It's like DCS is giving no information to the FFB but the software can see if I am stalling or my speed so the lua has to be exporting. So frustrating

I can't find any information online. I am desperate for help

 

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Checking, have you installed the scipts under the folder Saved Games -> Dcs -> Scripts -> Moza?

[Ginsu80]

I did. I have

 --<<MOZA FFB algorighm 1.0.0

dofile(lfs.writedir() .. [[Scripts\MOZA\MOZA.lua]])

--MOZA FFB algorighm 

in the export lua and the moza folder as well with the scripts inside

 

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

Did the stick do  a self test when on? If you don't mind, I assume the base is connected directly to the PC, not onto a USB hub.

Also, the DCS part of the MOZA software should show something like this:

Sorry if I am not helpful, you may wish to bring it to the Moza Discord.

[Ginsu80]

The stick does self test and calibrate, and when I alt tab out to check the moza software I see telemetry service connected and it is configured. 

I posted on the discord. No luck so far. 

[MAXsenna]

1 hour ago, Ginsu80 said:

I just got a AB9, and I can't get DCS to give any centering force at all. When I run the game, in direct mode there is nothing. In telemetry mode I get the effects I have set, as well as integrated mode. But no mater what if I let go of the stick in any module, Helicopter, Jet, Prop, it will just keep the stick where I left it. Triming doesn't seem to do anything. I have Force Feedback Checked on in the settings-misc tab. It's like DCS is giving no information to the FFB but the software can see if I am stalling or my speed so the lua has to be exporting. So frustrating

I can't find any information online. I am desperate for help

 

You have enabled FFB in the general DCS settings?

@VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants I don't have the Moza, while I assume you only ned the export scripts for the telemetry? 

1 minute ago, Ginsu80 said:

The stick does self test and calibrate, and when I alt tab out to check the moza software I see telemetry service connected and it is configured. 

I posted on the discord. No luck so far. 

Read my post. Double check and try again. You need to fly a module too, as DCS FFB only kicks in then, and tbe stick will be limp until flying. 

[Ginsu80]

I do have FFB enabled in the general settings, and I am flying a module. I have tried Several. The MOZA software shows telemetry connected. 

[MAXsenna]

16 minutes ago, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said:

Did the stick do  a self test when on? If you don't mind, I assume the base is connected directly to the PC, not onto a USB hub.

Does this rally matter as I assume it had its own power cord? 

Even my trusty old MS FFB2 has it's own power supply. The FFB signals are only sent over USB, while the base does all the work on its own accord, unlike VBK, Virpil, WW and TM, which get all the power over USB. 

Just now, Ginsu80 said:

I do have FFB enabled in the general settings, and I am flying a module. I have tried Several. The MOZA software shows telemetry connected. 

I see. Which module? 

[Ginsu80]

F4, F14, Apache, P51

I also ran a full repair. Reinstalled the MOZA cockpit software. 

[MAXsenna]

30 minutes ago, Ginsu80 said:

F4, F14, Apache, P51

I also ran a full repair. Reinstalled the MOZA cockpit software. 

Hmmm, well. I'm at a loss. I've heard the Moza should work like any other FFB stick out of the box, not needing any software except for drivers to have the Direct Input FFB to work. Needs power obviously not over USB. The telemetry part for effects not provided by DCS is something else.

Have you enabled DirectX/Direct Input mode in the Moza software? 

[Ginsu80]

That’s my main issue. In telemetry or integrated mode I get the effects from the profile, if I go and turn them off I get nothing. In direct, which should get the FFB info from DCS module I get nothing. I can fly the P51 pull back slightly and let go and the stick will stay right where I left it. No force or trim it’s like a fly by wire.

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

The thing is, I always use profile, and I never use direct mode. Looks like it could be my problem too.

[Ginsu80]

The issue is that for helicopters for instance, if you push the cyclic forward, even on the ground the rotor should want to return to neutral, which is why there is the force trim option. To keep from having to push the cyclic forward and push against it's natural return you can trim it, and in the real Apache, or with FFB, this stick should stay where you trimmed it. Because I can't get FFB info from DCS the stick doesn't have any push against me, and the telemetry will only shake it not simulate it's need to center.

[MAXsenna]

2 minutes ago, Ginsu80 said:

if you push the cyclic forward, even on the ground the rotor should want to return to neutral, which is why there is the force trim option. To keep from having to push the cyclic forward and push against it's natural return you can trim it,

That depends doesn't it? I'm no helicopter pilot, AFAIK it will not turn to center without Force Trim/magnetic brakes. Just turn off Fore Trim in the Huey, it will be limp and stay in it's position, (depending on the weight of the grip that is). Same in the Kiowa, Gazelle etc. Casmo said he flew without Force Trim most of the time, like other pilots, somewhere. I tend to turn off Force Trim in those modules too. Depends on the situation. That's why FFB bases are so excellent.

 

7 minutes ago, Ginsu80 said:

and in the real Apache, or with FFB, this stick should stay where you trimmed it.

Dude I know. I have been using FFB for years.

9 minutes ago, Ginsu80 said:

Because I can't get FFB info from DCS the stick doesn't have any push against me, and the telemetry will only shake it not simulate it's need to center.

That's shame. It's probably some silly setting.

16 minutes ago, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said:

The thing is, I always use profile, and I never use direct mode. Looks like it could be my problem too.

Could be the answer for all the strange issues you had with swapping axis.

@Ginsu80 I assume the stick is limp in the Mustang even with airflow? Stationary on the ground it will be limp, as it should.
What trim mode are you using for helicopters?
Could you post your DCS.log? I'm not confident it ill give any clues though!

[Ginsu80]

After much frustration and troubleshooting I found the issue. I have two complete simpits. One is Hornet/center sticks. The other is a Viper simpit. Total there are 40 usb devices for the various panels and input devices. After unplugging everything but the AB9, it works. Now I’m in the process of finding out which device was interfering and hoping it’s on the Viper side. Or that there is a maximum of devices I can have on at a time and that maximum will let me run the Hornet pit if I turn the viper devices off. 

[MAXsenna]

After much frustration and troubleshooting I found the issue. I have two complete simpits. One is Hornet/center sticks. The other is a Viper simpit. Total there are 40 usb devices for the various panels and input devices. After unplugging everything but the AB9, it works. Now I’m in the process of finding out which device was interfering and hoping it’s on the Viper side. Or that there is a maximum of devices I can have on at a time and that maximum will let me run the Hornet pit if I turn the viper devices off. 

Initially I thought you were gonna say you had plugged it in the wrong computer, then I remembered the telemetry worked. You do need two computers!
Anyway, cool you found the issue. Might invest in some USB hubs you can turn off one pit at the time. Or Nirsoft has some free software, while it's probably a little pain with all those devices. You don't have Razer Taurus by chance? Heard they can mess up with lots of connected devices.
Cheers!

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[Canard]

16 hours ago, Ginsu80 said:

Or that there is a maximum of devices I can have on at a time and that maximum will let me run the Hornet pit if I turn the viper devices off.

Great setup with two rigs! I am not saying that this is your problem with 40/2 devices but (my rig!) seem to have a limit around 15+ windows USB game devices… strange things starts to happen no matter the powered usb-hub configuration etc. I found some solace in that I was not alone in hitting a wall. I had to do a triage and stop using one device.  All the problems are gone for me. 

 

[Canard]

13 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

You don't have Razer Taurus by chance? Heard they can mess up with lots of connected devices.

I can confirm that  

[Ginsu80]

I turned everything off in my Viper pit and haven't had any issues. I have the Apache dialed in, as well as the F-4 settings. Now I'm working on an OH-58 profile.

[Bulldogg]

Unless I have misunderstood your question, the stick is NOT supposed to centre like what you get from a sprung Warthog for example.  This replicates real life stick behaviour where the stick is physically joined to the flight control surfaces.  i.e. the stick position aligns with where the ailerons and elevator are physically positioned.  YOU centre the stick. 

 

Also, whatever position you hold the stick for a particular attitude of flight, you can "trim out" the forces on the control surfaces and stick will stay still, you can take your hand off the stick to prove you are trimmed out correctly.  Welcome to real flying!  Hope that's helpful.