anton_f Posted January 7 Posted January 7 Hello everyone. Is there a plan to finish the Hornet to the state of a finished module? Right now, a lot of it looks like an alpha version. Horrible cockpit elaboration, disgusting low-resolution textures, terrible stepped reflections on the displays. The damage model looks very, very strange. I have been using the module for several months now and I have not yet encountered engine damage, have not seen fires, loss of power, etc. Most impacts on the aircraft from the outside end with torn off wings and that's it. I tried the A-10, F-16, recently bought the F-14 and I got the impression that compared to the listed modules, the Hornet is a pre-alpha version that is nevertheless sold for 80 bucks. What are we paying money for here? In the F-14 I see work and effort, in the F/A-18 I do not see it, help me find it. Are there any plans to improve at least the points I listed? 2
bfr Posted January 7 Posted January 7 (edited) All the modules you listed are far newer (assuming you have the newer iteration of the A-10) and IIRC then the Hornet is the oldest ED-authored full fidelity module (6-7 years old now?) still on sale. Yes it could possibly benefit from some cosmetic TLC but you are getting a module that is extremely complex and pretty much complete in terms of capability. Edited January 7 by bfr 1
anton_f Posted January 7 Author Posted January 7 43 минуты назад, bfr сказал: All the modules you listed are far newer (assuming you have the newer iteration of the A-10) and IIRC then the Hornet is the oldest ED-authored full fidelity module (6-7 years old now?) still on sale. Yes it could possibly benefit from some cosmetic TLC but you are getting a module that is extremely complex and pretty much complete in terms of capability. You can't sell the same thing for 7 years in a row. The module needs a remaster/remake, it would be better to do this instead of another desert map. In any case, the low detail of the damage system is a problem, since the plane can act as an attack aircraft. If engine damage is not modeled, this should be added to the module description. So as not to mislead. Although in fact I am completely confused, the module is 7 years old, but it was removed from early access in the middle-end of last year. At the same time, it already requires clarification and finishing. Something does not add up here. 1 1
Dragon1-1 Posted January 7 Posted January 7 New textures would be nice, as would be correcting some cockpit geometry. The damage model will eventually be replaced entirely, they have the new DM working for WWII aircraft, and it will, at some point, come to modern jets. 2
bfr Posted January 7 Posted January 7 7 hours ago, anton_f said: You can't sell the same thing for 7 years in a row. The module needs a remaster/remake, it would be better to do this instead of another desert map. In any case, the low detail of the damage system is a problem, since the plane can act as an attack aircraft. If engine damage is not modeled, this should be added to the module description. So as not to mislead. Although in fact I am completely confused, the module is 7 years old, but it was removed from early access in the middle-end of last year. At the same time, it already requires clarification and finishing. Something does not add up here. They haven't been selling the same thing for 7 years straight as (speaking as someone who had it since day 1) its evolved a great deal in that time. For all that some later modules have raised the bar in some areas, its hardly like its 8 bit. The damage model in pretty much all the modern day modules could do with big kick in the right direction, so its hardly out on its own in that regard. Its not really hard to comprehend that the module is out of EA but still being worked on. They have delivered pretty much everything now that they promised bar (off the top of my head) data cartridge, napalm and sea mines, and the first two are supposedly reliant on game engine changes that haven't happened (the first particularly being a point of annoyance to many). Some of the other changes in the pipeline like FM tweaks are quality of life improvements. As will likely be future changes to damage modelling. 1
Canada_Moose Posted January 7 Posted January 7 This is a joke right? The Hornet has been endlessly developed since I got in the pre-purchase phase. Its been the best value product I have ever purchased in DCS along with the A10C that then became the A10CII 2
anton_f Posted January 7 Author Posted January 7 49 минут назад, Canada_Moose сказал: This is a joke right? The Hornet has been endlessly developed since I got in the pre-purchase phase. Its been the best value product I have ever purchased in DCS along with the A10C that then became the A10CII The difference is in the feel. I recently bought a Hornet at full price, and an F-14 on sale, much cheaper than the Hornet. My personal feeling is that the F-14 has much more effort put into it. The A-10 and F-16 also feel much more detailed. Forget about the graphics, but the damage model is really depressing. I recently got hit in the tail by an Igla on my new F-14. It was an interesting experience to drag a dying plane to an aircraft carrier and land. On the F-18, either the wings would have come off or all the avionics would have turned off, and that's every time. There are no intermediate values. I don't want to argue with anyone, but with the "it'll do" attitude, this module will never reach the level of the others.
bfr Posted January 7 Posted January 7 (edited) 52 minutes ago, anton_f said: The difference is in the feel. I recently bought a Hornet at full price, and an F-14 on sale, much cheaper than the Hornet. My personal feeling is that the F-14 has much more effort put into it. The A-10 and F-16 also feel much more detailed. Forget about the graphics, but the damage model is really depressing. I recently got hit in the tail by an Igla on my new F-14. It was an interesting experience to drag a dying plane to an aircraft carrier and land. On the F-18, either the wings would have come off or all the avionics would have turned off, and that's every time. There are no intermediate values. I don't want to argue with anyone, but with the "it'll do" attitude, this module will never reach the level of the others. A shame you didn't wait for a sale when you bought the Hornet then as its usually reduced by about 40% from the standard price (as is usually the Viper). The only modules that tend to be always full whack are any of that have just come out, the Mirage F1 and the Razbam jets (at least since the big fall-out, after which Razbam stopped putting them in the sales). As for "it'll do", by your own admission they're still enhancing some aspects of it. And if you find the rate of progress frustrating, thank your lucky stars you weren't around when the Harrier was fairly new. Edited January 7 by bfr 1
Vee.A Posted January 13 Posted January 13 (edited) On 1/7/2025 at 5:22 AM, anton_f said: Hello everyone. Is there a plan to finish the Hornet to the state of a finished module? Right now, a lot of it looks like an alpha version. Horrible cockpit elaboration, disgusting low-resolution textures, terrible stepped reflections on the displays. The damage model looks very, very strange. I have been using the module for several months now and I have not yet encountered engine damage, have not seen fires, loss of power, etc. Most impacts on the aircraft from the outside end with torn off wings and that's it. I tried the A-10, F-16, recently bought the F-14 and I got the impression that compared to the listed modules, the Hornet is a pre-alpha version that is nevertheless sold for 80 bucks. What are we paying money for here? In the F-14 I see work and effort, in the F/A-18 I do not see it, help me find it. Are there any plans to improve at least the points I listed? Damage model certainly needs work along with a lot of other modules, but keep in mind there's a long list of failures you can activate with the mission editor. The underlying systems logic is there. As far as graphics, it's not quite as good as the newest ones, but I feel as though you live in an alternate universe if you find it that bad. The Viper is better modeled in some ways, but worse in others. The Tomcat has plenty to be worked on still as well. Edited January 13 by Vee.A
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