Muas Posted January 9 Posted January 9 My only issue with the Orion 2 base is that either I set a very high friction on the levers (I use F-15EX grip) or else they fall over to the front due to their weight. I have the finger lifts, but if I want a smoother effortless movement on the levers (low friction), I will have to keep my hand on it at all times, otherwise they will fall over. A counter weight should have been taken into account... any workaround for this? Thanks.
MAXsenna Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Might wanna try some Nyogel 767.Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk
Muas Posted January 9 Author Posted January 9 3 hours ago, MAXsenna said: Might wanna try some Nyogel 767. Actualy, I do have that product, which I used successfully on other devices before, but I'm not sure how the Orion 2 levers works, I have never looked into its guts to check what's the friction materials, enough to give it a try... maybe someone around has done it before. Thanks for the tip.
MAXsenna Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Actualy, I do have that product, which I used successfully on other devices before, but I'm not sure how the Orion 2 levers works, I have never looked into its guts to check what's the friction materials, enough to give it a try... maybe someone around has done it before. Thanks for the tip.No problem! I don't have any WW devices myself, while I'm positive I read somewhere that one had done it.That said, I've done it on all my devices, except my Warthog throttle, which hasn't needed it yet. Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk
Cgjunk2 Posted January 11 Posted January 11 (edited) On 1/9/2025 at 11:44 AM, MAXsenna said: No problem! I don't have any WW devices myself, while I'm positive I read somewhere that one had done it. That said, I've done it on all my devices, except my Warthog throttle, which hasn't needed it yet. Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk I’ve taken an Orion 2 throttle apart as part of the diagnostic process on a defective unit that WW eventually replaced. To get to the friction surfaces under the split collar on the throttle axes, the unit has to be completely disassembled. I’m pretty sure it’s every last last nut, bolt and screw is undone. I should add, I explored the axle assembly after the throttle base was replaced by winwing, but I did not reassemble the defective unit. But I’m sure it’s possible to take it apart, grease it, and reassemble. It’s just not a job that should be done in any sort of hurry. Lots and lots of tiny screws, uncaptured nuts, and lots of fiddling with connectors, so it’s best to be organized about it if you do decide to grease it. If it was me, I’d just tighten to the point it doesn’t fall forward and leave it be. Edited January 11 by Cgjunk2 2 1
MAXsenna Posted January 11 Posted January 11 I’ve taken an Orion 2 throttle apart as part of the diagnostic process on a defective unit that WW eventually replaced. To get to the friction surfaces under the split collar on the throttle axes, the unit has to be completely disassembled. I’m pretty sure it’s every last last nut, bolt and screw is undone. I should add, I explored the axle assembly after the throttle base was replaced by winwing, but I did not reassemble the defective unit. But I’m sure it’s possible to take it apart, grease it, and reassemble. It’s just not a job that should be done in any sort of hurry. Lots and lots of tiny screws, uncaptured nuts, and lots of fiddling with connectors, so it’s best to be organized about it if you do decide to grease it. If it was me, I’d just tighten to the point it doesn’t fall forward and leave it be. Ouch! Yeah, that sounds like too much work for less wins.Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk
Blackhawk163 Posted January 14 Posted January 14 I had this issue as well, however after much usage it resolved itself. Now with the bare minimum of friction needed to hold it in place, both axis don't fall over (The right one being the heaviest and obviously requiring more friction) and don't feel like an arm workout either. 1 1 My first assigned aircraft is in my profile name Ryzen 9800x3d/64gb DDR5 amd expo/RTX 5090/4tb m2/ Win11 pro/Pimax crystal light Winwing Orion F16ex (Shaker kit)/Skywalker pedals/Orion 2 F15EX II Throttle/3 MFD units/Virpil CM3 Mongoose Throttle/Trackir 5 F-16/A10II A/C /F-18/F-15E/F-15C/F-14/F5E II/F-4/Ah64/UH60/P51-D/Super Carrier/Syria/Sinai/Iraq/Persian Gulf/Afghanistan/Nevada/Normandy 2.0
Muas Posted January 21 Author Posted January 21 On 1/11/2025 at 6:15 AM, Cgjunk2 said: I’ve taken an Orion 2 throttle apart as part of the diagnostic process on a defective unit that WW eventually replaced. To get to the friction surfaces under the split collar on the throttle axes, the unit has to be completely disassembled. I’m pretty sure it’s every last last nut, bolt and screw is undone. I should add, I explored the axle assembly after the throttle base was replaced by winwing, but I did not reassemble the defective unit. But I’m sure it’s possible to take it apart, grease it, and reassemble. It’s just not a job that should be done in any sort of hurry. Lots and lots of tiny screws, uncaptured nuts, and lots of fiddling with connectors, so it’s best to be organized about it if you do decide to grease it. If it was me, I’d just tighten to the point it doesn’t fall forward and leave it be. Agree. I watched someone disassemble it in youtube and he didn't got to the friction collar, then I realised it's too much unscrewing and disconnecting, one might even spoil something during the process, so I quit the idea. On 1/14/2025 at 11:15 PM, Blackhawk163 said: I had this issue as well, however after much usage it resolved itself. Now with the bare minimum of friction needed to hold it in place, both axis don't fall over (The right one being the heaviest and obviously requiring more friction) and don't feel like an arm workout either. Didn't get to that point yet, although I relieved the tension on mine, as I fly mostly the F-18, and tiny throttle adjustments are required all the time for formation, AAR, carrier landings, etc, so I need it pretty loose... WW should improve this with some kind of counterweight to the levers to balance it, I believe that would be the best. 2
Blackhawk163 Posted January 21 Posted January 21 Yeah give it some time maybe? Dunno when I received my throttle back during their last big sale. I usually put in 4 hours a day (if not more) in DCS. During the last Christmas break it was more like 6-8. I do believe it’s what finally led to me being able to AAR with all the modules I own. Now I have it locked down firmly so that it doesn’t fall in either direction, but still being able to give the tiny inputs needed for AAR and the like. I also have to check if I have a curve on the throttle. In the F18 AAR mission (doesn’t matter which one) I know that I need 322-323kts to have an easy approach and then cycle between that (split throttles at the first detent) by moving the right throttle just a few mm forward and aft. When I first received the Throttle it was a chore just to get out of that middle detent because of how sticky the throttle felt because it was new and as a result the inputs where a bit uneven. I loosened it but then anything significantly passed the middle detent and I would get creep towards the MIL detent. I also have a VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle now that’s smooth that I could never perform a successful AAR. So maybe I just got gud lol 1 My first assigned aircraft is in my profile name Ryzen 9800x3d/64gb DDR5 amd expo/RTX 5090/4tb m2/ Win11 pro/Pimax crystal light Winwing Orion F16ex (Shaker kit)/Skywalker pedals/Orion 2 F15EX II Throttle/3 MFD units/Virpil CM3 Mongoose Throttle/Trackir 5 F-16/A10II A/C /F-18/F-15E/F-15C/F-14/F5E II/F-4/Ah64/UH60/P51-D/Super Carrier/Syria/Sinai/Iraq/Persian Gulf/Afghanistan/Nevada/Normandy 2.0
Muas Posted January 25 Author Posted January 25 On 1/22/2025 at 12:46 AM, Blackhawk163 said: Yeah give it some time maybe? Dunno when I received my throttle back during their last big sale. I usually put in 4 hours a day (if not more) in DCS. During the last Christmas break it was more like 6-8. I do believe it’s what finally led to me being able to AAR with all the modules I own. Now I have it locked down firmly so that it doesn’t fall in either direction, but still being able to give the tiny inputs needed for AAR and the like. I also have to check if I have a curve on the throttle. In the F18 AAR mission (doesn’t matter which one) I know that I need 322-323kts to have an easy approach and then cycle between that (split throttles at the first detent) by moving the right throttle just a few mm forward and aft. When I first received the Throttle it was a chore just to get out of that middle detent because of how sticky the throttle felt because it was new and as a result the inputs where a bit uneven. I loosened it but then anything significantly passed the middle detent and I would get creep towards the MIL detent. I also have a VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle now that’s smooth that I could never perform a successful AAR. So maybe I just got gud lol I know that stock F-18C AAR mission with the Viking @322-323Kts, its a good example, and a very good training for I thing it's more difficut to tank from the Viking than from any other tanker. Somehow the aircraft gets too unstable close to the boom, probably because of the viking left engine. Anyway, a lot of precise adjustments with the throttle and that is why I like it a bit on the loose side. But anyway it's just a matter of practice, after a while we can even set altitude hold AP and autothrottle and get away with it. My problem is when I have to remove my hand fron the throttle to do something else, then the levers fall all the way up to AB detent, and it even disengages the autothrottle... that's the only thing that bothers me.
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