KarateCriminal Posted January 17 Posted January 17 This might be considered arguing semantics but which Link 16 system will be on the F-15C? There are two that were installed. JTIDS which was put on a limited number of Mountain Home AFB based jets and Fighter Data Link (FDL) which was installed on the rest of the fleet due to being cheaper. They have slightly different panels and some slight differences in capability. 3
Admiral_ZIPANGU Posted January 21 Posted January 21 Quote What version of the F-15C? As with the Flaming Cliffs version, it will be an F-15C Multi-Stage Improvement Program (MISP) II as operated by the US Air Force in the early 2000s. This will feature either the AN/APG-63(V)1 or AN/APG-70 radars (TBD which one), Programable Armaments Control System (PACS), the JTIDS datalink with Situational (SIT) Display, and Joint Helmet Mounted Cuing System (JHMCS) with AIM-9X. There is a mention that the F-15C MSIP-2 will be replicated, and after some research, I found that this upgrade will include MIDS-LVT(3). Therefore, I believe it will be the FDL that will be installed. 2 Phantom Forever F-4EJ / F-4EJ Kai 1971-2021 Sorry, I don't speak English, so I use DeepL Translate. Well, I can speak Japanese.
Raven (Elysian Angel) Posted January 21 Posted January 21 2 minutes ago, Admiral_ZIPANGU said: Therefore, I believe it will be the FDL that will be installed. And yet the FAQ says it will be JTIDS 2 Spoiler Ryzen 9 5900X | 64GB G.Skill TridentZ 3600 | Asus ProArt RTX 4080 Super | ASUS ROG Strix X570-E GAMING | Samsung 990Pro 2TB + 960Pro 1TB NMVe | VR: Varjo Aero Pro Flight Trainer Puma | VIRPIL MT-50CM2 grip on VPForce Rhino with Z-curve extension | Virpil CM3 throttle | Virpil CP2 + 3 | FSSB R3L | VPC Rotor TCS Plus base with SharKa-50 grip | Everything mounted on Monstertech MFC-1 | TPR rudder pedals OpenXR | PD 1.0 | 100% render resolution | DCS graphics settings
Admiral_ZIPANGU Posted January 21 Posted January 21 33 minutes ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said: And yet the FAQ says it will be JTIDS This topic and the documents cited indicate that only a few aircraft received legitimate JTIDS terminals, and if it is possible to reproduce JTIDS-equipped aircraft, of which there were only a very few, that would be a great thing. The majority of aircraft, however, were equipped with MIDS, and the panels related to Datalink on those aircraft are still labeled “JTIDS”. 2 Phantom Forever F-4EJ / F-4EJ Kai 1971-2021 Sorry, I don't speak English, so I use DeepL Translate. Well, I can speak Japanese.
KarateCriminal Posted January 21 Author Posted January 21 5 hours ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said: And yet the FAQ says it will be JTIDS Got answered with "please see FAQ". So JTIDS it is then. I implore ED to look more into this as there is a difference between the two systems (JTIDS and FDL) and FDL was much more commonplace and only a handful of jets got JTIDS. They are simply different hardware but still serve the same purpose although there are differences between the two that I cannot post here due to forum rules. 5
Solution KlarSnow Posted January 26 Solution Posted January 26 JTIDS and FDL are exactly the same in a mid 2000's context. If they are modelling Link-16 in an F-15C in the Mid-2000's it doesn't matter what they call it JTIDS/FDL/MIDS, its all the same capability and functionality on the Link-16 network. I sincerely doubt they are modelling the mid 90's JTIDS and if they are any of the limitations it would have (still Link-16 remember) wouldn't be relevant to how DCS does Link-16, or TNDL since that's what they are calling it now. the Knob in the cockpit is Still labelled JTIDS to this day (just like in the F-15E btw that you can see in DCS), and several of the MFD options reference JTIDS, regardless of what terminal is actually in the jet. Its still all Link-16 and can talk to and do all the same messages as any other jet, with all the same track display and reporting and link capability. Basically this is a non issue, if its a mid-2000's jet its going to be link-16 compatible whatever they end up calling it, and there wont be any difference between JTIDS/FDL/MIDS in DCS because that level of detail is well out of scope, and wouldn't really matter anyways since even if it was modelled, everything would still be able to talk to each other and display all of the data appropriately. If they said it was a "Mid-90s jet with JTIDS" then maybe you should be concerned it was whatever that small experimental group of jets was, but if its mid-2000's as they have stated its a non issue. The terminology FDL/MIDS/JTIDS is interchangeable once Link-16 becomes standard in the early 2000's. What specific radio you have in the jet does not affect your ability to get on the link and transfer information in any meaningful way that could be represented in DCS. 2 3
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