theIRIEone Posted January 28 Posted January 28 In the vein of F-35 development i have to ask: J-36 next? There's public footage of a demo flight from December last year which should give sufficient data, it's kinda like an airshow.... I guess ED can ask some pilots and eyeball the rest?
MAXsenna Posted January 28 Posted January 28 Sir, this is not a floggit. That's two swipes and three clicks over there. 3
Tank50us Posted January 28 Posted January 28 3 hours ago, theIRIEone said: In the vein of F-35 development i have to ask: J-36 next? There's public footage of a demo flight from December last year which should give sufficient data, it's kinda like an airshow.... I guess ED can ask some pilots and eyeball the rest? That's not how this works my dude. For starters, the J-36 is still in its prototype phase, not in mass production like the F-35. The F-35 is also being widely exported, while the J-36 is likely to remain a domestic production aircraft only Due to the number of buyers for the F-35, Lockheed Martin likely has to be very up front with the the data, while CAC (and by extension the CCP) can make whatever claim they want, and it be treated as gospel. Finally, the F-35 isn't some obscure aircraft with a handful of examples in existence. Over a thousand have been produced, and many more are expected over the next few decades. Matter of fact, it's the most produced 5th Generation fighter, with the second place spot going to the J-20 (at 300+). I should also stress that China has a very different attitude towards weapons development than the US does. We tend to test to the breaking point and beyond before we hand it off to some snot-nosed kid to break again. China on the other hand seems to go "Alright, it flies... order 500" while we try to work out every kink and bug that could be in the thing before the production order is made. 5
theIRIEone Posted February 11 Author Posted February 11 On 1/31/2025 at 10:50 PM, jakm75 said: Yeah... so... don't think that's a reasonable ask. I don't know, 2 years ago a F-35 was known as a pretty unreasonable ask (ppl got laughed at pretty heavy for mentioning "F-35 for DCS"), so i guess nothing is (un)reasonable anymore..? But i agree: i might have gotten ahead of myself a little bit and we could at least wait til the Chinese Military announces the aircrafts official designation - imagine it's not gonna be the J-36 but somethign else.. We wanna get things correct, don't we? 1
aaronwhite Posted March 5 Posted March 5 On 2/11/2025 at 3:08 PM, theIRIEone said: I don't know, 2 years ago a F-35 was known as a pretty unreasonable ask (ppl got laughed at pretty heavy for mentioning "F-35 for DCS"), so i guess nothing is (un)reasonable anymore..? But i agree: i might have gotten ahead of myself a little bit and we could at least wait til the Chinese Military announces the aircrafts official designation - imagine it's not gonna be the J-36 but somethign else.. We wanna get things correct, don't we? I would have to imagine that Russia and China will pretty much be hard to develop anything remotely modern for, since both countries have a pretty tight grip on what kind of information they allow out publicly. Russia seems to be tougher for ED because of how much of the company itself is in Russia, and obviously wants to play it safe with the Russian government, but then China has the dual difficulty of being a country that is also very protective of their military data, but then has the added difficulty where a lot of the publicly available information that does exist is likely not translated for the outside world. Deka might be the best to ask about these types of things, as I'm sure they had to get pretty into the weeds for the JF-17. But I imagine it might be extra difficult for a team largely based out of Russia to access and understand the documents we would need for a plane that isn't even fully out of the development stage yet. 1
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