Schmidtfire Posted January 29 Posted January 29 Im interested in how the grenade launchers were used in real life. I know there is a table available for the module in DCS, but it’s not great and it would be helpful to know how it was commonly employed in the field. Slow speed to a hover with a slight pitch up? A high altitude flyover? High speed diving attacks? etc. It would make it a bit easier dialing in how to properly use and aim these things. 1
AeriaGloria Posted January 29 Posted January 29 There is good reason crews in Afghanistan “took them only under threat of punishment.” Im sure they tried employing them by all the ways the table give, and realized they were dead weight. I find their ballistics only becomes horizontal enough to be remotely predictable at about 1 km. Which is usually death close. There are tables for horizontal, dive, and even loft attack. I wouldn’t be surprised if most have been cannibalized for air to ground use, where the AGS-30 Palmyra grenade launcher actually becomes useful. I have seen only one good use case for them, a calendar. It sounds like to me you have done all the dialing in and proper use physically capable with such a useless weapon 2 3 Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
Schmidtfire Posted January 29 Author Posted January 29 1 hour ago, AeriaGloria said: It sounds like to me you have done all the dialing in and proper use physically capable with such a useless weapon Yes, I have tried almost every way at this point... sigh In the book "Gunship Ace" by Al J. Venter, there is a picture of Neall Ellis Mi-24, with an empty GUV 8700 mounted. Gatling and a AP-30 barrels laying on a tarp for inspection. But no mention in the book of the pods being used during combat missions in Africa. Perhaps it was for the cameras only. 1
AeriaGloria Posted January 29 Posted January 29 1 hour ago, Schmidtfire said: Yes, I have tried almost every way at this point... sigh In the book "Gunship Ace" by Al J. Venter, there is a picture of Neall Ellis Mi-24, with an empty GUV 8700 mounted. Gatling and a AP-30 barrels laying on a tarp for inspection. But no mention in the book of the pods being used during combat missions in Africa. Perhaps it was for the cameras only. I have the same book. Yes, he mentions only really using rockets and guns. The only use case I can imagine that they are useful is anti infantry at close range against troops that might not even shoot back. For example, it has even less explosive in it in DCS then your 30mm HE bullets! Which can be aimed up to 3.5 km away! 1 Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
Sobakopes Posted February 28 Posted February 28 (edited) Hind seems a little too fast for such close range weapon of only 800-1000m. Maybe mi8 is more suited. How to use -eliminate doppler side drift(not ball) to get good lateral aim with crosshair. Ags have in fact low dispersion, you just don't have ccip to know where it lands -train for certain range with set sight angle but no more than 800-1000m for example 80 mils in a mi8. Have to guess range which is only practiced - during normal flight or dive shoot moderate volleys to make up for ranging error with the length of strafe -use rudder pedals to induce lateral zig zag movement. This allows strafe to cover more area and eliminate ever present lateral error. Zig zag wider for troopers, gently for single target trooper or toyota 12.7 It's excellent on troopers at least in comparison to gunpods and machineguns. You don't get area coverage like that with either. Possible to 1v1 toyotas as well but you get under fire and you don't always hit in the first try. Still, within the scope of the game guv ap30 counter a toyota. Just not multiples. Edited February 28 by Sobakopes 1
Dragon1-1 Posted March 8 Posted March 8 On 1/30/2025 at 12:31 AM, AeriaGloria said: For example, it has even less explosive in it in DCS then your 30mm HE bullets! Which can be aimed up to 3.5 km away! Not just in DCS. VOG-30 grenades have only 40g of explosive in them. The HEI-T shells from the cannon have 49g of explosive. Of course, the cannon is much bulkier and heavier than the AGL, and so is its ammo, not to mention the AGL has very little recoil in comparision. AGS-30 is a solid weapon for infantry use. In fact, ArmA players will know how quickly one of those can ruin your day as an infantryman. However, their steep trajectory and short range make it a poor helo weapon. Anything it can do, some other weapon in your arsenal can do better. 2
Sobakopes Posted April 19 Posted April 19 В 08.03.2025 в 13:30, Dragon1-1 сказал: Anything it can do, some other weapon in your arsenal can do better. Are you sure it's worse than minigun pod?
Dragon1-1 Posted April 19 Posted April 19 Yeah, I am. The minigun pod could be useful for suppressing massed infantry if this was a thing in DCS. The bullets' trajectory is reasonably flat, so you can actually shoot something with them without hovering right over it. It's of limited utility, but with plenty of guns and ammo for them, IRL it does have some uses, and it could have in DCS in the future. The AGL pod? Well, I you could try sitting on it... 1
zerO_crash Posted Tuesday at 11:38 PM Posted Tuesday at 11:38 PM (edited) As Gloria stated, those weapons are highly boutique - museums is where they belong. The whole problem with the granade launchers is the slow speed of the projectile, resulting in very parabolic and delayed trajectory. A pilot, esp. for unguided weapons, needs projectiles that impact fast, in order to be able to correct based on initial hits. Bombs made more sense on helicopters, yet are completely extinct from modern modern designs. Americans learned that in Vietnam, Russians in Afghanistan. That's that. Edited Wednesday at 12:39 AM by zerO_crash [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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