Urgent: Make the F10 card usable during the flight.

[Bernhard Strobel]

Hello ED,

my wish to you is more of a compelling necessity than just a wish or a request. As a former army aviator and flight instructor, I was used to navigating with a map on my knee during the Cold War. I had no GPS and no waypoint navigation. This applies to ALL cold war helicopters from DCS. In my case, the HUEY, MI24 and MI8.
DCS offers me the F10 card. The problem: F10 card appears in full screen. Thus, terrestrial navigation at low altitude <30 ft/GND becomes absolute blind flight and thus suicide.
A satisfactory solution for me would be if the F10 card would appear in a format of the kneeboard. Alternatively, the F10 card could be integrated into the kneeboard, but as a fully dynamic work card and not as a static image.

Please, please, please. Cold war helicopter flying absolutely needs map navigation, otherwise my helicopters would be worthless or "not combat ready"

Thank you very much
Bernhard
EX Instructor Pilot HUEY

[MAXsenna]

Hi @Bernhard Strobel When you write "F10 card", I assume you mean the F10 map. If you bring up your kneeboard and lock it with RShft+K, and then browse the pages, where you have a fully functional map, and you can mark your position to see where you are. If you have an extra screen you can also use the free Moving Map application to display where you are in real time. For Android/iOS the app charges a small fee. 

Cheers! 

[Bernhard Strobel]

Am 11.3.2025 um 09:25 schrieb MAXsenna:

Hi @Bernhard Strobel When you write "F10 card", I assume you mean the F10 map. If you bring up your kneeboard and lock it with RShft+K, and then browse the pages, where you have a fully functional map, and you can mark your position to see where you are. If you have an extra screen you can also use the free Moving Map application to display where you are in real time. For Android/iOS the app charges a small fee. 

Cheers! 

Thanks for your tip @MAXsenna. However, knowing where I am right now is not the "core problem".
As a pilot, I ALWAYS do at least two things at the same time; navigating AND flying. Navigating means: flight target, waypoints, landing points, markpoints, holding areas, where is the enemy, heading, flight time, distance ...

The F10 card has all this! The best tool for navigation ever. 

Hence the "simple" request to ED: let me open the F10 map in a different format during the flight, instead of in full screen mode, so that navigating and flying is possible at the same time.  Low-flying with simultaneous switching of the F10 is deadly, because I have NO control over the aircraft while looking at the F10. 


Bernhard

Edited March 16 by Bernhard Strobel

[MAXsenna]

57 minutes ago, Bernhard Strobel said:

where is the enemy,

Ah, so you're cheating? Just kidding.  

58 minutes ago, Bernhard Strobel said:

because I have NO control over the aircraft while looking at the F10. 

Not to be a dick, while it's technically incorrect. You're flying blind actually.

Anyway, I hope ED will look into you're request. Personally, I'd like the possibility to export the F10 map as a viewpoint like MFDs etc, and/or making the already existing kneeboard maps interactive in a way. 

Cheers! 

[okopanja]

1 hour ago, Bernhard Strobel said:

Thanks for your tip @MAXsenna. However, knowing where I am right now is not the "core problem".
As a pilot, I ALWAYS do at least two things at the same time; navigating AND flying. Navigating means: flight target, waypoints, landing points, markpoints, holding areas, where is the enemy, heading, flight time, distance ...

The F10 card has all this! The best tool for navigation ever. 

Hence the "simple" request to ED: let me open the F10 map in a different format during the flight, instead of in full screen mode, so that navigating and flying is possible at the same time.  Low-flying with simultaneous switching of the F10 is deadly, because I have NO control over the aircraft while looking at the F10. 


Bernhard

Most of the modules have at least one type of navigation means. Even in cold war most of them can use some sort of radio beacons.  The most simple navigation aid kind is by using a compas and dead reckoning. E.g. you can set even the indicator on some of devices pointing at azimuth you need. E.g. Mi-8 has this and it is trivial tu use.

F10 in main window is very unlikely to be implemented.

Edited March 16 by okopanja

[Minsky]

It should be noted that the F10 view in DCS is a major resource hog.

Combining it with the main game view might push many systems over the VRAM/RAM limit.

That's one of the reasons why we have these blurry map photos in the kneeboard, instead of a full-fledged F10 map.

@Bernhard Strobel you can try this in the meanwhile:

 

Edited March 16 by Minsky

[TheBiggerBass]

A resizeable F10 map in main flight window or a 2nd screen would be great!

[Bernhard Strobel]

@Minsky

@MAXsenna

Hello friends
I'm just trying it with the DCS moving map + openkneeboard.

A great solution that I really like.

BUT: It works perfectly in singleplayer, but NOT in multiplayer.

It can't be my installation if it works in singleplayer.

Who can help?

Edited April 14 by Bernhard Strobel

[MAXsenna]

On 4/14/2025 at 4:31 PM, Bernhard Strobel said:

@Minsky

@MAXsenna

Hello friends
I'm just trying it with the DCS moving map + openkneeboard.

A great solution that I really like.

BUT: It works perfectly in singleplayer, but NOT in multiplayer.

It can't be my installation if it works in singleplayer.

Who can help?

Try a different server. It could be that the server has disabled exports. Then it will not work. Or at least ask in the Moving Map thread. 

Cheers! 

[OhNoMyHookBroke]

On 3/11/2025 at 3:05 AM, Bernhard Strobel said:

Hello ED,

my wish to you is more of a compelling necessity than just a wish or a request. As a former army aviator and flight instructor, I was used to navigating with a map on my knee during the Cold War. I had no GPS and no waypoint navigation. This applies to ALL cold war helicopters from DCS. In my case, the HUEY, MI24 and MI8.
DCS offers me the F10 card. The problem: F10 card appears in full screen. Thus, terrestrial navigation at low altitude <30 ft/GND becomes absolute blind flight and thus suicide.
A satisfactory solution for me would be if the F10 card would appear in a format of the kneeboard. Alternatively, the F10 card could be integrated into the kneeboard, but as a fully dynamic work card and not as a static image.

Please, please, please. Cold war helicopter flying absolutely needs map navigation, otherwise my helicopters would be worthless or "not combat ready"

Thank you very much
Bernhard
EX Instructor Pilot HUEY

Totally agree. 

In the meanwhile, I suggest you look into things like DCS Moving Map. It's exactly in the name. If you use it with OpenKneeboard, then you can have the program display a moving map (with tons of options, different maps, symbology, etc.) and move it around to the bottom right corner of screen, adjust size, and so on.

I do understand that it's not exactly like real life, since it displays your present position and can display other things, but you can most likely turn most of those off.

But that's a mod.

We should really get what you said in the core game, ASAP!

[MAXsenna]

6 hours ago, OhNoMyHookBroke said:

In the meanwhile, I suggest you look into things like DCS Moving Map. It's exactly in the name. If you use it with OpenKneeboard,

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