Caldera Posted March 30 Posted March 30 (edited) Hey All, So I am currently using TOBII, but I have used TrackIR extensively. While TOBII is a bit better, the biggest frustration that I have with either head tracking is the need to constantly reset the view to center. I can't really use VR. The problem is that once centered, my head seems to shift position slightly or the software no longer sees the same position of my head that I re-centered to. Either way the on screen center position drifts and I must re-center (over and over). On the ground it is easier and more accurate, but in flight I just seem to introduce off center views as I am also controlling the A/C at the same time. It's is a pilot induced re-centering view position oscillation error (PIRPOE). Sometimes when I notice it, it feels like my eyes are trying to come out of my head. Happens allot... I would like to share a work around that I have come up with. Which in my case involves using a three position return to center switch on my throttle controller. I choose this switch because it is very convenient and I can use it with out looking at the switch. Any two switch positions can work though, even two separate switches. So what I do is in DCS I map LCTRL+F1 to one position of the switch and in TOBII I map the re-center function AND in DCS I map F1 to the opposite position of the same switch. So this becomes a three step process. Because I am flying the Apache, I will describe that process in the Apache. Any A/C will work however, just requires finding the center point of the view. The first step is to position the switch for the LCTRL+F1 view, which changes the view to "LCTRL+F1 Natural Head Movement View". This allows me to move my head, but holds the IHADSS LOS cross in the center of the screen. The second step is to focus intently on the IHADSS LOS cross. The third step is to hold my head in that position and then quickly flip the switch the opposite way. This re-centers the screen in TOBII and switches the view back to the F1 view. The process is very fast and seems very accurate. I hope this helps someone out, Caldera Edited March 30 by Caldera 1
MAXsenna Posted March 30 Posted March 30 @CalderaYou might want to play a little with curves and set a deadzone. That way the view will be pretty stable when centered. Do you feel it's a little off centre in all modules, or just the Apache? If only in the Apache, the centre view might have been saved as the Num5 Snapview (default), and that's easily remedied.As another tip, VoiceAttack is free for 20 commands, and all those steps could easily be merged into one by speaking "Centre View" or pressing only one button. Cheers! Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk
Caldera Posted March 30 Author Posted March 30 (edited) MAX, I would scare myself if I were to calculate the number of hours that I have messed with head tracking curves. Etc, Etc, Etc... I have to use rather aggressive curves, other wise my eyes feel like they want to pop out of my head. FWIW I find dead zones more annoying than aggressive head tracker curves, especially trying to use a HMD. It creates a scenario where the whole head movement vs screen movement creates an unnatural feeling for me. IMO using a HMD sort of requires aggressive curves to be effective. I would scare myself if I were to calculate the number of hours that I have messed with VoiceAttack. I use VoiceAttack quite allot for speech command macros and for HW controller macros. IE one controller button press might run a VoiceAttack macro, which widens the power greatly of any one controller button press. For example, in the Apache, WAS up selects guns, selects Auto Range, selects a burst of 20 rounds and tells me what it just did. All with one button press. Have you tried that? I could done what I described above entirely in VoiceAttack, but I chose to use switches. I just posted the information in an attempt to provide one solution for others struggling with head tracking as I have. Caldera Edited March 30 by Caldera 2
SharpeXB Posted April 2 Posted April 2 It’s a simple thing to solve. I’m not sure why you need so many commands. Just assign a joystick button or even a key on the keyboard. My personal choice is the Arrow Up key because it’s easy to find and not used for anything else in these games. i9-14900KS | ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z790 HERO | 64GB DDR5 5600MHz | iCUE H150i Liquid CPU Cooler | ASUS TUF GeForce RTX 4090 OC | Windows 11 Home | 2TB Samsung 980 PRO NVMe | Corsair RM1000x | LG 48GQ900-B 4K OLED Monitor | CH Fighterstick | Ch Pro Throttle | CH Pro Pedals | TrackIR 5
Caldera Posted April 3 Author Posted April 3 (edited) Sharp, Yep! One can do that all day long ( I have done it that way for years), but unless you focus on the center of your computer screen the view will often not center. A PIRPOE may occur. In the middle of refueling, in combat or maybe a landing approach and your view is off center. What do you focus on? Using the LCTRL+F1 view first gives me something to exactly focus on is its very function is to exactly center the view on the computer screen. Especially in the Apache I focus on the LOS cross, before I re-center and the results are significantly better overall. The process takes no longer to perform. If you don't suffer from this problem? Then take no advice from me... Caldera Edited April 3 by Caldera
SharpeXB Posted April 30 Posted April 30 On 4/3/2025 at 6:55 PM, Caldera said: but unless you focus on the center of your computer screen the view will often not center. So just look straight ahead and press “center”. Solved. On 4/3/2025 at 6:55 PM, Caldera said: A PIRPOE may occur. No idea what that means… On 4/3/2025 at 6:55 PM, Caldera said: If you don't suffer from this problem? Then take no advice from me... Honestly it’s hard to figure what your problem is. i9-14900KS | ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z790 HERO | 64GB DDR5 5600MHz | iCUE H150i Liquid CPU Cooler | ASUS TUF GeForce RTX 4090 OC | Windows 11 Home | 2TB Samsung 980 PRO NVMe | Corsair RM1000x | LG 48GQ900-B 4K OLED Monitor | CH Fighterstick | Ch Pro Throttle | CH Pro Pedals | TrackIR 5
MAXsenna Posted April 30 Posted April 30 Honestly it’s hard to figure what your problem is. Read his first point again, PIRPOE is explained there.I'm assuming this is a special case for eye tracking, and he's using Tobii, and I guess it behaves differently from TrackIR. We just move our heads, and stop/pause the movement. If we want to reenter, we look straight ahead and press the button. I guess it's harder to look exactly at the same spot with your eyes. Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk
Caldera Posted May 3 Author Posted May 3 Well... This community is great! And thanks Max, I supposed in the paraphrased comments of Casmo "This is just A Way" and I probably should simply state that it at the beginning of such posts like this that I make. Such as: Hey all, This is just "A Way" to do something and I don't have any questions nor need help on this topic. Finding the time to help someone should include finding the time to figure out their problem or if they have a problem. For my part, I was just trying to explain a new and neat trick that I figured out that can maybe help someone else. I don't really want to waste any ones time, however doubtful, anyone is actually helped... PIRPOE? I just made that up. Caldera 1
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