Weta43 Posted April 15 Posted April 15 Although the Hawk missile in DCS is labelled as a MIM-23B - & perhaps it's engagement zone, kinetics and warhead are correct for that missile, its ECM rejection plainly exceeds that of the MIM-23B. During the Iran-Iraq war (starting late 1980) it was found that the Russian ECM pods were very effective against the SAM HAWK / MIM-23B batteries - so much so that the US immediately started an improvement program that resulted in the "Improved ECCM MIM-23C/D" being developed. (The Iraqi's acknowledged significant losses to HAWK batteries but claimed no aircraft carrying SPS-141MVG pods were shot down until late in the war.) The MIM-23C entered service in 1982, most US units would have been using the MIM-23B until the mid/late 80's & other NATO countries probably longer (as an analogue, the MIM-23B was operational in 1971. All US units had converted to this standard by 1978). At the moment HAWK batteries appear to be completely immune to SPS-141MVG pods. For Cold war Germany - & for the Iraq map Iran-Iraq war scenarios - there should be a version of the MIM-23 that is susceptible to Russian ECM pods. 2 1 Cheers.
Weta43 Posted April 15 Author Posted April 15 (edited) 3 tracks of an Su-25 flying past an 'average' HAWK battery at the maximum range I could get a launch forcing no ECM use. SPS-141 loaded & options set to "ECM off", "ECM on when locked" & "ECM always on" but all get hit within 1m of the same location. ECM_Effectiveness.zip Edited April 15 by Weta43 1 Cheers.
Lt_Jaeger Posted April 15 Posted April 15 As DCS lacks in the EW department, the pods just don't work as they would have in real life. If I'm not mistaken we only got noise jamming which invites any typ of HOJ Msl. So all those fancy modes of the SPS just don't work rather than the MIM-23B be too good. 1
Lt_Jaeger Posted April 15 Posted April 15 (edited) Btw....SPS should/would work only if you fly directly towards the tracker/RADAR, and/or in case of the HAWK, pretty low to the ground toward the battery Edited April 15 by Lt_Jaeger
Weta43 Posted April 15 Author Posted April 15 (edited) 11 hours ago, Lt_Jaeger said: Btw....SPS should/would work only if you fly directly towards the tracker/RADAR, and/or in case of the HAWK, pretty low to the ground toward the battery I thought the forward hemisphere thing was a first gen issue (like only working against 1 radar type at a time 7 that having to be set before takeoff) & that those SPS only had a single antenna at the front (while the modelled version has 2 & so works over a couple of bands/types - including the F4 the Iranians were flying). If ED model that the SPS does anything useful against MIM-23B HAWK sites even if that's only from the front quadrant & only below some altitude, that would still be a step forward. (Actually, even with the current poor modelling of ECM if E.D. made it you had to pick 2 radars it would jam from the loadout screen & it actually worked against those but only those that would be a better approach than just having it jam everything - or as currently - not jam anything.) I think (& I could be wrong), E.D. haven't included any default loadout for the Su-25 that includes an ECM pod, which - to me at least - suggests they know there's no point in loading one in game... Edited April 15 by Weta43 Cheers.
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