Few small issues Mission 3

[CH4Pz]

Just finished mission 3, and noticed a couple things..

First, on start up, we do radio checks and i can hear wingman, other flights and myself, but nowhere through the departure, does departure actually respond OR if im meant to change freqs it doesnt tell me too, in which case, that would be handy.

second, im using PP to drop the JDAMs and i actually played the mission twice, as i ran into an issue i'll cover next, but both times when using co-ords, i follow the bomb with F6 and the trucks are on target, but the other bomb goes to fuel tanks which are already destroyed, and this happened both times, and both times on BDA he says target partially destroyed. Could the co-ordinates in the kneeboard be wrong?

Also, as mentioned above, on my first play through when i got to the convoy, now this part im not entirely sure, but he says its south of the target but it seems north? regardless i couldnt find first time through, so i ordered wingman to attack convoy, he said target destroyed, but there was no option for "attack complete", so i headed off, ended up calling winchester as fuel was past joker. Second run i realized we both need to get the convoy and after several units the option for "attack complete comes up, but i guess it wasnt very clear. even after getting 2 trucks myself and wingman got 2, got the message "attack complete, but still scored partially destroyed. cuz it was a bit confusing i ended up abandoning the first run.

Lastly, when grabbing a drink on the way back, i got in observation, ordered wingman to tank and he didnt, tried several times, he just went into observation, so i got my fuel and left, i figure hes set to have unlimited anyway, but just thought i'd report it. Also thought it was a bit weird to be tanking inside the corridor especially when clearance is given he says "assigned alttitude" (which is 28) but tankers at 25, but again not entirely sure, this may be SOP?

Anyway, hope this helps, may also be user error on my part, there never seems to be enough time to stay "current" these days

 

[Kurnass1977]

I've already reported the same issues as cannot score more of 85/87...

https://forum.dcs.world/topic/370942-mission-3-aar-again/#comment-5628193

 

Waiting for the patch as stated by Nix Mills in the linked thread, my ego cannot accept a similar score. About the trucks in one try ( scored 87) I eliminated the whole convoy by myself and communicate via F10 only after the last truck blowed up.

Also , as stated also by you, Iìm a bit confused about the tanker altitude and if ( as I've done) is allowed to take some ingress gas as the convoy need some srtafing passes to be succesful

[Nix Mills]

I’ll do my best to respond as you’re raising a couple of different questions.

So during Case 3 departures, each aircraft will make calls to let everyone know where they’re at. Departure itself will only call or respond if they need to intervene for safety reasons.

As you know, the KC-135 has a race track orbit in one leg of the transit corridor. Its altitude is between the altitudes assigned to traffic in either direction. If you’re heading east, you simply pop up to FL250, and if you’re heading west, you just come down. You then return to assigned altitude once done. This is also explained in the campaign guide.

The targets assigned to you are the truck park and the fuel tanks, one GBU-32 each. I’m not sure why or whether your fuel tanks target would be destroyed before impact. The column of trucks trying to escape comes from the facility about 1km south of your target. As the UAV on station there is engaging with a Hellfire first you can look for the smoke from the burning AAA truck. I think there are five trucks for you to take out with guns, but you can call it off before that.

There are a couple of YouTube videos up already with this mission. You could have a look and see how they are working their targets.

[CH4Pz]

On 4/19/2025 at 3:48 AM, Nix Mills said:

The targets assigned to you are the truck park and the fuel tanks, one GBU-32 each. I’m not sure why or whether your fuel tanks target would be destroyed before impact. The column of trucks trying to escape comes from the facility about 1km south of your target. As the UAV on station there is engaging with a Hellfire first you can look for the smoke from the burning AAA truck. I think there are five trucks for you to take out with guns, but you can call it off before that.

 

Thanks for that, good to know thats SOP (departure, tanker etc). As far as the convoy i guess we were still missing one, i should of got myself. Both times those tanks were already destroyed though, are you able to verify with F6 yourself, using co-ords in PP mode? at first i thought it was a failsafe thing, but when i got the BDA, i realized there was an issue there

[Kurnass1977]

Don't want hijack the thread, but @Nix Mills I've just improved to 90, can you confirm that the 10 point missed are for the AS wingman crash ?  In the screenshot I see that both the "RoE" and "Communication procedure" have missing point,can be tha cause? ( If yes for the latters I've a souspicius of what can be) Or there're other missing triggers by my part?

BTW I received the mission failed message when the wingie shout " Eject eject" but decided to finish the mission anyway

[Nix Mills]

15 hours ago, CH4Pz said:

Thanks for that, good to know thats SOP (departure, tanker etc). As far as the convoy i guess we were still missing one, i should have got myself. Both times those tanks were already destroyed though, are you able to verify with F6 yourself, using co-ords in PP mode? at first i thought it was a failsafe thing, but when i got the BDA, i realized there was an issue there

There is actually a failsafe on each target and maybe it is related. Unfortunately I’m traveling atm but will have a look end of month. Stand by.

[Nix Mills]

2 hours ago, Kurnass1977 said:

Don't want hijack the thread, but @Nix Mills I've just improved to 90, can you confirm that the 10 point missed are for the AS wingman crash ?  In the screenshot I see that both the "RoE" and "Communication procedure" have missing point,can be tha cause? ( If yes for the latters I've a souspicius of what can be) Or there're other missing triggers by my part?

BTW I received the mission failed message when the wingie shout " Eject eject" but decided to finish the mission anyway

No worries. Wingman is not a part of your score. It was originally but because of too many issues with AI wingman reliability we took it out. Will make sure to remove or replace the mission fail message. For a perfect score in M03, do correct departure procedure, follow corridors and do check ins, destroy all four planned targets (own and wingman) and destroy full truck column, and recover back on carrier.

If you can send me or post a screenshot of your debriefing (the one you get with F10 before exiting mission), I can have a look.

[Kurnass1977]

6 ore fa, Nix Mills ha scritto:

No worries. Wingman is not a part of your score. It was originally but because of too many issues with AI wingman reliability we took it out. Will make sure to remove or replace the mission fail message. For a perfect score in M03, do correct departure procedure, follow corridors and do check ins, destroy all four planned targets (own and wingman) and destroy full truck column, and recover back on carrier.

If you can send me or post a screenshot of your debriefing (the one you get with F10 before exiting mission), I can have a look.

I take the screenshot yesterday but don't attached to my previous message simply because I'm dumb...

Edited April 21 by Kurnass1977

[Nix Mills]

8 hours ago, Kurnass1977 said:

I take the screenshot yesterday but don't attached to my previous message simply because I'm dumb...

Not at all. You had a perfect score there but the points for destroying the truck park weren’t being added in the backend. That has been fixed and will be part of the next patch. 

[Kurnass1977]

Oh well, will wait...

[Kurnass1977]

@Nix Mills Sir any news about the updated version? I'm waiting at M 03 for the score' fix...I'm boiling!

Thanks

[Nix Mills]

On 5/3/2025 at 5:13 AM, Kurnass1977 said:

@Nix Mills Sir any news about the updated version? I'm waiting at M 03 for the score' fix...I'm boiling!

Thanks

I know. I'm waiting also. The updates were submitted a month ago.

[Kurnass1977]

Thanks!

[Nix Mills]

On 5/4/2025 at 9:20 PM, Kurnass1977 said:

Thanks!

Try now

[Kurnass1977]

Ok, played today and improved to 90, better but not enough for me as obviously missed something and think to know what. There are a couple of question:

- the briefing PDF stated that for this mission Departure: CASE III at 0400 local in order 304 and 305, once Carrier Control Zone is cleared, arc right to establish outbound for Waypoint 1 (WP1), but the briefing in the game state to arc left to intercept the bearing for WP1, which follow?

- for the Marshall pattern . in the Checklist book in the same page the altitude for enter the pattern is indicated as 2000 ft as default and also as 3000ft ( when not ordered diversely )Again which one follow?

Think I've loose some point as I turned on too soon my radar after the AAR and the relative message pop out on screen-

I'll thank you for all the effort spent to date, will try again for the full score

[Nix Mills]

On 5/10/2025 at 6:20 AM, Kurnass1977 said:

Ok, played today and improved to 90, better but not enough for me as obviously missed something and think to know what. There are a couple of question:

- the briefing PDF stated that for this mission Departure: CASE III at 0400 local in order 304 and 305, once Carrier Control Zone is cleared, arc right to establish outbound for Waypoint 1 (WP1), but the briefing in the game state to arc left to intercept the bearing for WP1, which follow?

- for the Marshall pattern . in the Checklist book in the same page the altitude for enter the pattern is indicated as 2000 ft as default and also as 3000ft ( when not ordered diversely )Again which one follow?

Think I've loose some point as I turned on too soon my radar after the AAR and the relative message pop out on screen-

I'll thank you for all the effort spent to date, will try again for the full score

Yes, you're right. Little errors snuck in as things got changed and a few spots were missed despite all the proofing and testing. Following departure, you will of course arc right towards the coast and your first waypoint. As for Marshal stack upon returning, Mother will always order you to orbit at 3,000 ft to stay clear of the other flight(s) that are already recovering (IRL they'd fill up the stack starting at 2,000ft). Neither of these would affect your score, though. And yes, please don't microwave the tanker crew.

[CH4Pz]

3 hours ago, Nix Mills said:

Yes, you're right. Little errors snuck in as things got changed and a few spots were missed despite all the proofing and testing. Following departure, you will of course arc right towards the coast and your first waypoint. As for Marshal stack upon returning, Mother will always order you to orbit at 3,000 ft to stay clear of the other flight(s) that are already recovering (IRL they'd fill up the stack starting at 2,000ft). Neither of these would affect your score, though. And yes, please don't microwave the tanker crew.

I really wish ED would make the tanker voices say, "nose cold, switches safe, ready pre-contact", although i think its a navy thing primarily, but still, its a good reminder. Boom operators deserve the ability to have kids too !!

[Kurnass1977]

Il 18/04/2025 at 20:18, Nix Mills ha scritto:

I’ll do my best to respond as you’re raising a couple of different questions.

So during Case 3 departures, each aircraft will make calls to let everyone know where they’re at. Departure itself will only call or respond if they need to intervene for safety reasons.

As you know, the KC-135 has a race track orbit in one leg of the transit corridor. Its altitude is between the altitudes assigned to traffic in either direction. If you’re heading east, you simply pop up to FL250, and if you’re heading west, you just come down. You then return to assigned altitude once done. This is also explained in the campaign guide.

The targets assigned to you are the truck park and the fuel tanks, one GBU-32 each. I’m not sure why or whether your fuel tanks target would be destroyed before impact. The column of trucks trying to escape comes from the facility about 1km south of your target. As the UAV on station there is engaging with a Hellfire first you can look for the smoke from the burning AAA truck. I think there are five trucks for you to take out with guns, but you can call it off before that.

There are a couple of YouTube videos up already with this mission. You could have a look and see how they are working their targets.

Wilco