AI "overperformed"

[Temetre]

Btw, tangentially related: On a first glance, the Mig-21 AI update seems pretty solid. Now a player-flown F-4E can actually outrate a (low AI skill) Fishbed, as it should be IRL.

Im sure ACE skill will still do things that are beyond physics, but thats kinda the point.

Edited July 26 by Temetre

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

10 hours ago, Temetre said:

On a first glance, the Mig-21 AI update seems pretty solid. Now a player-flown F-4E can actually outrate a (low AI skill) Fishbed, as it should be IRL.

Yup, I’ve done a few dogfights in an F-5 and F-4 against a random skill-level MiG-21 and I got them easily - and I’m by no means an ace dogfighter.

[CatPaw]

@Temetre

My MIG-21s are flying around 100% braindead. Nose up 15ish degrees 250-300km/h with full afterburner. Unable to fly a straight line while navigating and unable to climb higher than 6000m.

Edited July 27 by CatPaw
correction

[Temetre]

Am 27.7.2025 um 14:38 schrieb CatPaw:

@Temetre

My MIG-21s are flying around 100% braindead. Nose up 15ish degrees 250-300km/h with full afterburner. Unable to fly a straight line while navigating and unable to climb higher than 6000m.

Tried it. For my Rookie Mig-21, flying in a line and navigating was no problem, even if it couldnt reac+hold high altitude.

Mig-21 had 4x missile + small fuel pod (unlimited fuel), it went no-AB and got up to 27000 feet, then dropped a bit. Maybe they need some more adjustment, but at least they cant just cheat physics.

Interestingly, the Mig-19 climbs slightly faster and goes up to 40.000 feet with fuel and missiles.

And, typically, the Mig-15 goes up to 46.000 feet no problem, climbing better than Mig-19 and 21. Stays up at 210 IAS and 3-4 degree AoA.

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edit: The default speed setting for waypoint is 430 knots for the 21, a bit lower than 19/21. Put it to 800 and they use AB and go up to+stay 33k feet altitude.

Edited August 2 by Temetre

[CatPaw]

On 8/2/2025 at 3:26 PM, Temetre said:

Tried it. For my Rookie Mig-21, flying in a line and navigating was no problem, even if it couldnt reac+hold high altitude.

Mig-21 had 4x missile + small fuel pod (unlimited fuel), it went no-AB and got up to 27000 feet, then dropped a bit. Maybe they need some more adjustment, but at least they cant just cheat physics.

Interestingly, the Mig-19 climbs slightly faster and goes up to 40.000 feet with fuel and missiles.

And, typically, the Mig-15 goes up to 46.000 feet no problem, climbing better than Mig-19 and 21. Stays up at 210 IAS and 3-4 degree AoA.

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edit: The default speed setting for waypoint is 430 knots for the 21, a bit lower than 19/21. Put it to 800 and they use AB and go up to+stay 33k feet altitude.

My issue was with the AI choking on setting up attack on enemy aircraft. When I put "weapons hold" and "ignore threats" they flew just fine. Everything still falls apart without very, very tight handholding. 

The AI had to scramble. Cold start, taxi, take  off and climb to intercept. It seems the AI went into attack mode almost immediately after take off and choked on it.

Edited Thursday at 05:30 PM by CatPaw
grammar

[SignorMagnifico]

On 7/8/2025 at 6:28 AM, Lidozin said:

Thus, the casual claims that the AI aircraft MiG-15 possesses "supernatural" power can be put to rest. The core energy-related parameters — both in 1g flight (such as maximum speed and specific excess power) and in sustained turns at zero excess power — show very strong agreement with available reference data.

If the AI MiG-15 does not have a supernatural climbing ability, then how is it able to outclimb an F-15? Or was this reported bug already fixed? Maybe I missed the patch note.

 

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

17 minutes ago, SignorMagnifico said:

was this reported bug already fixed? Maybe I missed the patch note

The MiG-21 AI got patched recently, but I haven’t seen any about the MiG-15.

There is an updated lua by a user, but if I use that, every single AI MiG-15 in any of my missions gets turned into an A-10 for some reason

[SignorMagnifico]

2 hours ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

The MiG-21 AI got patched recently, but I haven’t seen any about the MiG-15.

There is an updated lua by a user, but if I use that, every single AI MiG-15 in any of my missions gets turned into an A-10 for some reason

Thanks for letting me know! I hope the LUA file for the MiG-15 gets fixed soon.