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Seems to be an issue when Force Feedback is turned on in Options. Have the Moza base running in Telemetry only for the tests so I'm not fighting any induced force on the stick.

- With FFB turned off ( just the option in DCS) the Mossie flies great, decently easy to trim, slow to react, like you would expect it to be. No weird Flight model tendencies.
- with FFB turned on it almost impossible to trim straight at all. All of the trim locations, based on the in-game indicators, to try to keep even remotely straight and level are at much higher values( for lack of better term). The flight model also does very erratic things. More unpredictable random movements and the biggest bother to me, almost religiously around 260-270 mph( going straight, up, down, wherever), it will start pitch down severely  (I'm guessing from the very far forward nose down trim you need to attempt to keep it straight at 240mph) and takes almost full back stick to pull out. OR you can give it a few  taps of nose up trim, literally, and it will pull right back out of the same dive that took almost full stick deflection to pull out of. It does not do this even remotely when the FFB Option is unchecked. I fly warbirds a lot in DCS so I am familiar with ever changing trim and hands on at all times.

Hoping I'm not the only one with FFB issues with the Mossie. Anyone else having similar issues?


It's not an issue with my base or anything. It works perfect on every other module I own.

I attached a couple of tracks .Freeflight on Caucuses. Not sure it will help, but maybe it will help gather data on the drastic trim differences and maybe some FM issue when you enable Force Feedback. 

Mossie_No_FFB_FM_Trim .trk Mossie_With_FFB_FM_Trim .trk

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* I apparently failed to see the FFB issue 5 posts below.. I’m sure  it’s all related. But the track are here regardless.

 

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* I apparently failed to see the FFB issue 5 posts below.. I’m sure  it’s all related. But the track are here regardless.
 
Yes, FFB issues in the Mossie has been reported before. I have an old MS FFB2, with a short extension. It's very twitchy to fly and impossible to trim.
ED has stated they will look into FFB for all of their modules when they get their hands on FFB devices. I assume this will be when Winwing releases their products as it seem to me that DCS is possibly sponsored by WW now.

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1 hour ago, MAXsenna said:

Yes, FFB issues in the Mossie has been reported before. I have an old MS FFB2, with a short extension. It's very twitchy to fly and impossible to trim.
ED has stated they will look into FFB for all of their modules when they get their hands on FFB devices. I assume this will be when Winwing releases their products as it seem to me that DCS is possibly sponsored by WW now.

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Just odd that all other modules seem fine. Not sure why the Mossie got the end of the stick… That would be my guess as well with WW. And that’s fine, if it will bring the FFB support along with it. I think I will skip WW FFB as I’ve got my sights on Virpil to really bring it ( hopefully). Moza is working okay for 90% of it all, but there are a couple shortfalls that bug me more and more with it. I try to ignore it, but as soon as I can order the Virpil FFB, I’m there.

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20 minutes ago, MadKreator said:

Just odd that all other modules seem fine. Not sure why the Mossie got the end of the stick… That would be my guess as well with WW. And that’s fine, if it will bring the FFB support along with it. I think I will skip WW FFB as I’ve got my sights on Virpil to really bring it ( hopefully). Moza is working okay for 90% of it all, but there are a couple shortfalls that bug me more and more with it. I try to ignore it, but as soon as I can order the Virpil FFB, I’m there.

Yeah, I'll skip WW. I might get a Moza while I wait/finally take a plunge at Rhino/Beast, or I'll wait for VPC. The Moza will probably be fine in a dedicated heli simpit. 😊 

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