MadKreator Posted August 13 Posted August 13 Seems to be an issue when Force Feedback is turned on in Options. Have the Moza base running in Telemetry only for the tests so I'm not fighting any induced force on the stick. - With FFB turned off ( just the option in DCS) the Mossie flies great, decently easy to trim, slow to react, like you would expect it to be. No weird Flight model tendencies. - with FFB turned on it almost impossible to trim straight at all. All of the trim locations, based on the in-game indicators, to try to keep even remotely straight and level are at much higher values( for lack of better term). The flight model also does very erratic things. More unpredictable random movements and the biggest bother to me, almost religiously around 260-270 mph( going straight, up, down, wherever), it will start pitch down severely (I'm guessing from the very far forward nose down trim you need to attempt to keep it straight at 240mph) and takes almost full back stick to pull out. OR you can give it a few taps of nose up trim, literally, and it will pull right back out of the same dive that took almost full stick deflection to pull out of. It does not do this even remotely when the FFB Option is unchecked. I fly warbirds a lot in DCS so I am familiar with ever changing trim and hands on at all times. Hoping I'm not the only one with FFB issues with the Mossie. Anyone else having similar issues? It's not an issue with my base or anything. It works perfect on every other module I own. I attached a couple of tracks .Freeflight on Caucuses. Not sure it will help, but maybe it will help gather data on the drastic trim differences and maybe some FM issue when you enable Force Feedback. Mossie_No_FFB_FM_Trim .trk Mossie_With_FFB_FM_Trim .trk 1 Intel i7 13700k, ASUS rog strix z790A, 64gigs G.Skill Trident DDR5 @6400Mhz, Nvidia RTX 4080FE, 4TB, 2x 2TB, 1TB Samsung NVME, 1TB Samsung SSD, Corsair RM1000x, Corsair Titan 360 X AIO cooler, Lian Li LanCool 2, VKB Gunfighter Ultimate, VKB Custom STECS , MFG Crosswinds, Moza FFB, Virpil Collective, Track IR5, 48” LG UltraGear OLED & HP 24” touchscreen for Helios,49” Samsung Ultrawide, Streamdeck XL, Corsair Virtuoso RGB Headphones
MadKreator Posted August 13 Author Posted August 13 * I apparently failed to see the FFB issue 5 posts below.. I’m sure it’s all related. But the track are here regardless. 1 Intel i7 13700k, ASUS rog strix z790A, 64gigs G.Skill Trident DDR5 @6400Mhz, Nvidia RTX 4080FE, 4TB, 2x 2TB, 1TB Samsung NVME, 1TB Samsung SSD, Corsair RM1000x, Corsair Titan 360 X AIO cooler, Lian Li LanCool 2, VKB Gunfighter Ultimate, VKB Custom STECS , MFG Crosswinds, Moza FFB, Virpil Collective, Track IR5, 48” LG UltraGear OLED & HP 24” touchscreen for Helios,49” Samsung Ultrawide, Streamdeck XL, Corsair Virtuoso RGB Headphones
MAXsenna Posted Monday at 02:44 PM Posted Monday at 02:44 PM * I apparently failed to see the FFB issue 5 posts below.. I’m sure it’s all related. But the track are here regardless. Yes, FFB issues in the Mossie has been reported before. I have an old MS FFB2, with a short extension. It's very twitchy to fly and impossible to trim.ED has stated they will look into FFB for all of their modules when they get their hands on FFB devices. I assume this will be when Winwing releases their products as it seem to me that DCS is possibly sponsored by WW now. Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk
MadKreator Posted Monday at 04:06 PM Author Posted Monday at 04:06 PM 1 hour ago, MAXsenna said: Yes, FFB issues in the Mossie has been reported before. I have an old MS FFB2, with a short extension. It's very twitchy to fly and impossible to trim. ED has stated they will look into FFB for all of their modules when they get their hands on FFB devices. I assume this will be when Winwing releases their products as it seem to me that DCS is possibly sponsored by WW now. Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk Just odd that all other modules seem fine. Not sure why the Mossie got the end of the stick… That would be my guess as well with WW. And that’s fine, if it will bring the FFB support along with it. I think I will skip WW FFB as I’ve got my sights on Virpil to really bring it ( hopefully). Moza is working okay for 90% of it all, but there are a couple shortfalls that bug me more and more with it. I try to ignore it, but as soon as I can order the Virpil FFB, I’m there. 1 Intel i7 13700k, ASUS rog strix z790A, 64gigs G.Skill Trident DDR5 @6400Mhz, Nvidia RTX 4080FE, 4TB, 2x 2TB, 1TB Samsung NVME, 1TB Samsung SSD, Corsair RM1000x, Corsair Titan 360 X AIO cooler, Lian Li LanCool 2, VKB Gunfighter Ultimate, VKB Custom STECS , MFG Crosswinds, Moza FFB, Virpil Collective, Track IR5, 48” LG UltraGear OLED & HP 24” touchscreen for Helios,49” Samsung Ultrawide, Streamdeck XL, Corsair Virtuoso RGB Headphones
MAXsenna Posted Monday at 04:28 PM Posted Monday at 04:28 PM 20 minutes ago, MadKreator said: Just odd that all other modules seem fine. Not sure why the Mossie got the end of the stick… That would be my guess as well with WW. And that’s fine, if it will bring the FFB support along with it. I think I will skip WW FFB as I’ve got my sights on Virpil to really bring it ( hopefully). Moza is working okay for 90% of it all, but there are a couple shortfalls that bug me more and more with it. I try to ignore it, but as soon as I can order the Virpil FFB, I’m there. Yeah, I'll skip WW. I might get a Moza while I wait/finally take a plunge at Rhino/Beast, or I'll wait for VPC. The Moza will probably be fine in a dedicated heli simpit.
MadKreator Posted Monday at 06:53 PM Author Posted Monday at 06:53 PM (edited) 2 hours ago, MAXsenna said: Yeah, I'll skip WW. I might get a Moza while I wait/finally take a plunge at Rhino/Beast, or I'll wait for VPC. The Moza will probably be fine in a dedicated heli simpit. Moza feels great on helis. I will admit. On planes though, especially with my 100mm extension, there's a lot of slop around center where there's virtually no force at all, yet the encoders( or whatever) still register the movements. So you have this area of "free play" where you can still control the plane before and real force ever kicks in. ( not really noticeable on Helis though. Not sure if that's a firmware issue or mechanical design issue. Deadzones aren't the way as the area is more than just " oh its drifting a bit". Its a noticeable lack of force in the center 5-10%. Even with every setting cranked to the max. Feels more like mechanical play to me. Either way I'm happy with the purchase still, but I won't be holding on to it forever. Unless they address that problem before other products hit the market. I'm not opposed to WW hardware, just not a fan of their software. I've become a Virpil fanboy over the years but here in the US almost everything is back ordered and when containers come in, its all spoken for. So you order with the expectation that it will be a few months before you get your item. Edited Monday at 06:54 PM by MadKreator 1 Intel i7 13700k, ASUS rog strix z790A, 64gigs G.Skill Trident DDR5 @6400Mhz, Nvidia RTX 4080FE, 4TB, 2x 2TB, 1TB Samsung NVME, 1TB Samsung SSD, Corsair RM1000x, Corsair Titan 360 X AIO cooler, Lian Li LanCool 2, VKB Gunfighter Ultimate, VKB Custom STECS , MFG Crosswinds, Moza FFB, Virpil Collective, Track IR5, 48” LG UltraGear OLED & HP 24” touchscreen for Helios,49” Samsung Ultrawide, Streamdeck XL, Corsair Virtuoso RGB Headphones
MAXsenna Posted Monday at 07:16 PM Posted Monday at 07:16 PM 18 minutes ago, MadKreator said: there's a lot of slop around center where there's virtually no force at all, Almost as my FFB2 then. Except. That one has a firmware deadzone, which makes it really sloppy, and it's very noticeable, while it makes AAR somewhat daunting. Hovering in helicopters not so much, as you don't really move around in the center. If movement is still registered on the Moza, (have you checked for raw values in the VPC control panel or dbview or similar?), I'm positive it could be fixed with firmware. As I'm sure it could be with my FFB2. There it's very noticeable that there is no resistance when you move around in the deadzone.
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