check procedures HARM in HAD mode with HTS pod issue

[skywalker22]

In HAD mode with HTS pod, it indeed does find it's target, but always precision factor PGM goes straight to max accuract (5) and it drops from 5 to 2, and stays at 2. The harm still finds the target with pin point precision. There must be something wrong with F-16 HARM system, and how it shows up the precision number. 

a2g_harm_accuracy_test_2.miz

Not sure which fault is it, but it seems thats on F-16 side and its HTS system. And it's the same with any radar that HTS is detecting.

Edited Monday at 04:30 AM by skywalker22

[LorenLuke]

55 minutes ago, skywalker22 said:

In HAD mode with HTS pod, it indeed does find it's target, but always precision factor PGM goes straight to max accuract (5) and it drops from 5 to 2, and stays at 2. The harm still finds the target with pin point precision. There must be something wrong with F-16 HARM system, and how it shows up the precision number. The bug has also been reported here in weapons section. Simple track file attached.

a2g_harm_accuracy_test_2.miz 9.49 kB · 1 download

Not sure which fault is it, but it seems thats on F-16 side and its HTS system. And it's the same with any radar that HTS is detecting.

PGM 5 is the least accurate precision factor, PGM 1 is the most accurate.

[RogueSpecterGaming]

7 hours ago, skywalker22 said:

In HAD mode with HTS pod, it indeed does find it's target, but always precision factor PGM goes straight to max accuract (5) and it drops from 5 to 2, and stays at 2. The harm still finds the target with pin point precision. There must be something wrong with F-16 HARM system, and how it shows up the precision number. The bug has also been reported here in weapons section. Simple track file attached.

a2g_harm_accuracy_test_2.miz 9.49 kB · 4 downloads

Not sure which fault is it, but it seems thats on F-16 side and its HTS system. And it's the same with any radar that HTS is detecting.

PGM 1 is the most accurate, not PGM 5. PGM 5 is the least accurate. But also, the original bug that you linked to, had to deal with the accuracy of the HARM itself when a SAM's radar turned off. This was addressed in the latest update. Seems like a misunderstanding of how the system works. PGM 2 is still pretty accurate but it should not have been as accurate as it was when radar emissions stopped.

• Weapons. Fixed the AGM-88C being overly accurate, even when the target radar emissions cease. Fixed edge case where a target ID is passed to the missile, but the target stops radiating before seeker delay. Increased seeker range to match HAS implementation more closely.

[skywalker22]

Oh, my bad, don't know how did I get this mixed up? I didn't use the harms in a long time 

[RogueSpecterGaming]

1 hour ago, skywalker22 said:

Oh, my bad, don't know how did I get this mixed up? I didn't use the harms in a long time 

All good lol I figured it was a confusion thing. 

[Dača]

PGM1 is almost to completely not possible to achieve without at least 2 more wingmen. PGM2 is the best you can achieve solo. Short version: You fire Harm only at PGM2 or PGM1. All other PGMs will result in a miss, most likely.

[LorenLuke]

On 8/25/2025 at 12:13 AM, Dača said:

PGM1 is almost to completely not possible to achieve without at least 2 more wingmen. PGM2 is the best you can achieve solo. Short version: You fire Harm only at PGM2 or PGM1. All other PGMs will result in a miss, most likely.

I believe it's not unheard of to hit on a PGM 3, and I think that's the lowest threshold which a HARM launch is considered 'feasible' to hit the target, but obviously if you can a higher precision value, go with that, and PGM 2 will be more on the money than PGM 3, but my recollection is that PGM 3 represents sort of the 'maximum sized basket' in which you could sling the missile and have no expectation to just straight up miss.

[Dača]

4 hours ago, LorenLuke said:

I believe it's not unheard of to hit on a PGM 3, and I think that's the lowest threshold which a HARM launch is considered 'feasible' to hit the target, but obviously if you can a higher precision value, go with that, and PGM 2 will be more on the money than PGM 3, but my recollection is that PGM 3 represents sort of the 'maximum sized basket' in which you could sling the missile and have no expectation to just straight up miss.

True. PGM stands for probability after all. But I always go to PGM2 just in case.