WinWing MIP Issues

[Bluegrass]

So, I have just received the Top Gun MIP setup and have it all plugged in.  When I start DCS it grinds my PC almost to a halt.  I've tried all the fixes I could find on here, reddit, YouTube, discord, etc. with no luck.  I've moved usb plugs around, I have changed screen locations, winwing.interval .lua change, and I have reinstalled all drivers that I can think of but no luck.  I am completely stumped and honestly am here as a last resort.  I have run multimonitor before with no issues.

PC Specs:

-NVidia RTX ROG 4080 OC 16GB

-Odyssey G9 (5120x1440)

-Ryzen 7 5800X3D

-64GB DDR4 RAM

-Dark Hero VIII Motherboard

-ROG 1000w PSU

-All Samsung EVO m.2’s

DxDiag.txt

 

*SOLVED*

-Unknown specific issue. Full PC wipe and Windows reinstall has appeared to fix the problem.

Edited October 20 by Bluegrass
Fixed…….for now

[rob10]

Unfortunately nothing obvious in the stats above and sounds like you've covered all the 1st steps in troubleshooting 

[HanuXXL]

You have updated all the drivers you can think of; have you also updated DisplayLink drivers, for those USB displays. They are easilly missed, Windows even argued they were latest version... -Not even close... Updating those did help me.

https://www.synaptics.com/products/displaylink-graphics/downloads

[Wostg]

Any differences with simapppro active or off? Winwing removed from export.lua?

[Bluegrass]

4 hours ago, HanuXXL said:

You have updated all the drivers you can think of; have you also updated DisplayLink drivers, for those USB displays. They are easilly missed, Windows even argued they were latest version... -Not even close... Updating those did help me.

https://www.synaptics.com/products/displaylink-graphics/downloads

Yes

4 hours ago, Wostg said:

Any differences with simapppro active or off? Winwing removed from export.lua?

I’ve tried that as well. I even did a repair/cleanup of dcs and double checked the luas were clear. I’m stumped. 

[Dudikoff]

Did you try using a quality powered (12V) USB hub to connect the MIP through it?

[Bluegrass]

14 minutes ago, Dudikoff said:

Did you try using a quality powered (12V) USB hub to connect the MIP through 

I currently have it in 12v/40W Acasis 10port hub from Amazon. I did order a startech 12v/60w 7port that will be here today. I also would plug some into the port and one into my mobo with no luck as well.

[Wostg]

What happens when you try just the screens / just the UFC / just the MFD button units? It would be weird if each caused equal slowdowns independently

[Bluegrass]

32 minutes ago, Wostg said:

What happens when you try just the screens / just the UFC / just the MFD button units? It would be weird if each caused equal slowdowns independently

It works flawlessly with only the UFC/HUD/MFD’s running. Once the MIP’s are included it grinds to a halt. Outside of the game there’s no noticeable slowdown of my pc, no weird spikes in power consumption or anything. But once it’s at the DCS main screen it all goes to hell.

 

edit: I’ll also add that I’ve ran different variations of multiscreen in the past. From large to small screens with no issues. Granted those were either HDMI or DP.

Edited October 10 by Bluegrass

[Wostg]

So its just the screens, good to know! Yeah best guess is its a weird USB thing.

No change if you just plug one in and use a different monitors.cfg file to place it (you can do this by hand / via helios or however you configured screens in the past, independently of simapppro despite its complaining)

[Dudikoff]

Could be something related to the motherboard and USB ports, I see people had some issues with it. Did you check if there's newer firmware available?

I'm running mine on a B550 mainboard (still on W10), don't remember the power available for the USB hub, I got some smaller one and a bunch of short USB cables and I taped in on the MT desktop mount so I only need to plug a single USB cable and the power supply to it when I mount it. Connecting like 10 cables each time was killing me.

Edited October 10 by Dudikoff

[Bluegrass]

33 minutes ago, Wostg said:

So its just the screens, good to know! Yeah best guess is its a weird USB thing.

No change if you just plug one in and use a different monitors.cfg file to place it (you can do this by hand / via helios or however you configured screens in the past, independently of simapppro despite its complaining)

I did try Helios but had the same issues.

4 minutes ago, Dudikoff said:

Could be something related to the motherboard and USB ports, I see people had some issues with it. Did you check if there's newer firmware available?

I'm running mine on a B550 mainboard (still on W10), don't remember the power available for the USB hub, I got some smaller one and a bunch of short USB cables and I taped in on the MT desktop mount so I only need to plug a single USB cable and the power supply to it when I mount it. Connecting like 10 cables each time was killing me.

I have the powered hub plugged into one of the higher speed usb ports. There’s still about four usb ports available on the motherboard. I’ve tried moving plugs all around as well with no luck. Board firmware is current. I also went through and individually checked each usb device and port for any updates and everything was current.

[Wostg]

Any other high-power USB things running, like an HD webcam for headtracking, logitech mouse software polling at 10 triillion ticks per second?

Are all the USBs set to "high-performance/never sleep" through the control panel and the device driver panel? (not sure of exact terms)

[Bluegrass]

1 hour ago, Wostg said:

Any other high-power USB things running, like an HD webcam for headtracking, logitech mouse software polling at 10 triillion ticks per second?

Are all the USBs set to "high-performance/never sleep" through the control panel and the device driver panel? (not sure of exact terms)

The only other peripherals are a TM stick, TM Warthog throttle, TM TPR pedals, TrackIR, Razer basilisk mouse (razer software is removed) and some cheap old keyboard that I’ve had for years. All USBs are set to high performance/never sleep. 

[Bluegrass]

Well. Just got the startech usb hub hooked up and still a no-go. Also my FPS counter will go from 0 to 103 to 4 then back to 0. 

Edited October 10 by Bluegrass

[Bluegrass]

I did run capframex and gathered some data.  I have no idea what any of it means, or if it even helps to show a specific issue, but here it is.  Also note that the in game music is smooth, the loading bar is smooth as well as the text above it when loading.

Edited October 11 by Bluegrass
Expanding on my misery

[MAXsenna]

@Bluegrass Are you running DCS as Admin by chance? If yes, try not to.

Cheers!

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[Bluegrass]

2 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

@Bluegrass Are you running DCS as Admin by chance? If yes, try not to.

Cheers!

Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk
 

I’m not. 

[bzfmiii]

I'm of no use, but this is very interesting as I'm looking to get the Top Gun MIP
@Bluegrass - any further forward with a resolution?
Have you raised a ticket with Winwing?
 

[Bluegrass]

7 hours ago, bzfmiii said:

I'm of no use, but this is very interesting as I'm looking to get the Top Gun MIP
@Bluegrass - any further forward with a resolution?
Have you raised a ticket with Winwing?
 

Nothing fruitful at this time. Winwing stated that they have forwarded the issue to their tech department and i would be notified if there was a resolution. 

[bzfmiii]

15 hours ago, Bluegrass said:

Nothing fruitful at this time. Winwing stated that they have forwarded the issue to their tech department and i would be notified if there was a resolution. 

I wish you good luck then!
It sounds like a really wicked problem
Did you get your MIP kit directly from Winwing?
 

 

[Bluegrass]

4 hours ago, bzfmiii said:

I wish you good luck then!
It sounds like a really wicked problem
Did you get your MIP kit directly from Winwing?
 

 

Yes. I’ve got a pcie card coming today to see if having a designated usb system for the screens will help. It’s a Hail Mary but hopefully it will be the solution. 

[Bluegrass]

Well I’ve downloaded and tried it in Falcon BMS and it is smooth as silk

[MAXsenna]

Well I’ve downloaded and tried it in Falcon BMS and it is smooth as silk

Can you upload your DCS.log?
Can you uncomment the Winwing line in the export.lua?
Too bad it wasn't that you're running DCS as admin, because that was the most common fix for other users.

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[sleighzy]

I'm going to echo MAXsenna's comment. Winwing peripherals, specifically MFDs (I'm not sure about MIPs) are notorious for causing massive lag and halts even in just the menu screen. So far has been 99% caused by running DCS as administrator. Can you check the properties on the DCS shortcut you're using, and also the executable in the bin or bin-mt folder that it points to, on the Compatibility tab to ensure the Run as administrator checkbox isn't ticked.

EDIT: Just reread back through and I saw you mentioned "It works flawlessly with only the UFC/HUD/MFD’s running" so I'm assuming the Winwing MFDs are working fine so not administrator issue...worth a check though.

Edited October 17 by sleighzy