user resolved Training mission only starts out of Mission editor

[TheBiggerBass]

I guess it's not a real bug but only a feature I didn't fully understand. I've downloaded the .basic training missions a while ago - I guess they are build by @Rudel_chw - for the Viper (1st mission attached). They only seems to run when started out of the mission editor. When started from DCS training menu these training missions freeze. I would like to start them from the normal traing menu. How can I fix that?

.Basic - Cold Start & Takeoff Practice.miz

[Mapi]

First: you can see it in the traing menu ?

No prob here, i can go in the pit

 

[TheBiggerBass]

vor 17 Minuten schrieb Mapi:

First: you can see it in the traing menu ?

No prob here, i can go in the pit

 

Yes.

[TheBiggerBass]

That's what I see in the F-16 trainings menu (see below). When I start the training mission a time bar appears at the bottom of the screen and the screen freezes. Unfortunately I can't attach a screen shot because even the screen shot function freezes. There is also no track file being generated. Clicking on the time bar rightmost square stops the freeze and returns to training menu.

Starting exactly the same mission from mission editor works fine - no time bar, no freeze. The mission just starts without any issues.

I have no clue what's going on here.

[RogueSpecterGaming]

4 hours ago, TheBiggerBass said:

That's what I see in the F-16 trainings menu (see below). When I start the training mission a time bar appears at the bottom of the screen and the screen freezes. Unfortunately I can't attach a screen shot because even the screen shot function freezes. There is also no track file being generated. Clicking on the time bar rightmost square stops the freeze and returns to training menu.

Starting exactly the same mission from mission editor works fine - no time bar, no freeze. The mission just starts without any issues.

I have no clue what's going on here.

Well it says it right there "To be started from the Mission Editor". Those are official training missions from ED so that is why. You clearly downloaded a set of training missions from the user files and they can only be started from the Mission Editor as the mission creator stated. That isn't a bug or something you can fix. 

[mkel2010]

Most likely issue is that the training missions are in the DCS World folder. You probably won't be able to start them from the training menu. They should be placed in the Save Games Missions folder. I use the same Missions and have them in the Saved Games folder. They will start from the Missions menu without first opening them in the Mission editor.

[TheBiggerBass]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb RogueSpecterGaming:

Well it says it right there "To be started from the Mission Editor". Those are official training missions from ED so that is why. You clearly downloaded a set of training missions from the user files and they can only be started from the Mission Editor as the mission creator stated. That isn't a bug or something you can fix. 

I've build the lessons.lua myself and that's just a reminder for me  . It did not come from the mission builder.

However, as the mission just starts normal from the mission editor I wonder why it's not possible to start it from DCS. I've also seen those missions started from DCS. Therefore something must be different in my DCS setup. And it must be possible to fix because I've seen it working.

vor 2 Stunden schrieb mkel2010:

Most likely issue is that the training missions are in the DCS World folder. You probably won't be able to start them from the training menu. They should be placed in the Save Games Missions folder. I use the same Missions and have them in the Saved Games folder. They will start from the Missions menu without first opening them in the Mission editor.

Thanks, it works when placing and starting them out of Saved Games/missions folder.

However, what is the root cause for this? Is there a hidden flag somewhere in the mission file? Other missions start from the training folder without issues.

[TheBiggerBass]

Ok, issue solved.

Remove the dot "." at start of the filename and it starts without issues.

Strange.

[mkel2010]

8 minutes ago, TheBiggerBass said:

However, what is the root cause for this? 

I can't say for sure, but it may have something to do with the leading period in the file name. In Linux the leading period signifies a hidden file. Windows is supposed to treat the period as just another character. That said, I remember having some issues previously with these missions because of the leading period, which went away when I re-named them and deleted the leading period. I haven't had an issue with the latest version in Windows 11 24H2. What Windows version are you using?

[TheBiggerBass]

vor 11 Minuten schrieb mkel2010:

I can't say for sure, but it may have something to do with the leading period in the file name. In Linux the leading period signifies a hidden file. Windows is supposed to treat the period as just another character. That said, I remember having some issues previously with these missions because of the leading period, which went away when I re-named them and deleted the leading period. I haven't had an issue with the latest version in Windows 11 24H2. What Windows version are you using?

I use Win 11 24H2 too.

It's solved now (see my last post). The leading dot in the filename was the issue. I didn't know this.

[Mapi]

The Dot! LOL

vor 21 Stunden schrieb TheBiggerBass:

I guess it's not a real bug but only a feature I didn't fully understand. I've downloaded the .basic training missions a while ago - I guess they are build by @Rudel_chw - for the Viper (1st mission attached). They only seems to run when started out of the mission editor. When started from DCS training menu these training missions freeze. I would like to start them from the normal traing menu. How can I fix that?

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If you press Dl, you lose the DOT.
So I had no problems. 

Hehehe

Edited 13 hours ago by Mapi

[MAXsenna]

13 hours ago, TheBiggerBass said:

I use Win 11 24H2 too.
It's solved now (see my last post). The leading dot in the filename was the issue. I didn't know this.

Did you have the dot in the file name in the edited training.lua? I assume yes. So, I yeah, that sounds really strange.  


 
 

Edited 3 hours ago by MAXsenna
Removed incorrect "spoilers"

[TheBiggerBass]

vor 7 Stunden schrieb MAXsenna:

Did you have the dot in the file name in the edited training.lua? I assume yes. So, I yeah, that sounds really strange.  

All training mission displayed in DCS for a certain module have to be listed in the corresponding lessons.lua file. As the filenames were beginning with a dot "." I noted them as they are in the lessons.lua file with a { ["file"] = "<filename>", ["name"] = _("<description>"), }, per mission entry. It seems that all <filename> starting with a "." are executed in DCS in that strange manner as described above. After removing the "." from the the filenames in the mission/training directory and from their corresponding entry in the lesseons.lua file they start normal as any other mission. Might also be a Win11 issue, which seems to be a weird mixture of DOS, Linux, Unix and other easter eggs.

Edited 1 hour ago by TheBiggerBass

[MAXsenna]

55 minutes ago, TheBiggerBass said:

All training mission displayed in DCS for a certain module have to be listed in the corresponding lessons.lua file.

Right, lessons.lua. I just forgot the name.

57 minutes ago, TheBiggerBass said:

As the filenames were beginning with a dot "." I noted them as they are in the lessons.lua file

Thanks! That's what I thought. Weird one for sure.

When I started playing around with this for the various mission types/folders ≈nine years ago. I tried to put them with Luas in the Saved Games folders, with the same mods\aircraft\missions\structure, and the list would override the ones in the Core installation. Highly annoying. Wish they could combine them.