How to Maximize My R27ET Range?

[Aliboy]

Hi is there anything I can do to maximize R27ET range and get LA quickly like approaching the target at a different angle or different altitude or for example If your head on with someone and you turn your engines to idle shouldn't you get LA first if hes afterburner on.Can anyone who has tested it out please give some more information/tips on this ?

[Mugenjin]

FC 2.0 or FC 1.1?

 

In FC 2.0 the missile seeker now needs a valid lock to get LA. So aspect obviously/bandit using A/B will effect this.

 

But turning your engines on idle will certainly won't help you in anyway: You'll deliberately lose speed and gain nothing in return, because when you get LA, the bandit can obviously launch as well.

[foxwxl]

Try launching from the rear aspect, you will get the LA more than 14KM and the ET is able to reach a running target at that range, very good runner hunter~

[GGTharos]

Use radar missiles for head-on combat. That's where they're the best. Heaters are best in tail-chases.

 

I don't know why you think your own engines would affect the range at which the ET seeker can lock a target; it depends only on the engine state and aspect of the target in FC, weather is not taken into account.

 

Hi is there anything I can do to maximize R27ET range and get LA quickly like approaching the target at a different angle or different altitude or for example If your head on with someone and you turn your engines to idle shouldn't you get LA first if hes afterburner on.Can anyone who has tested it out please give some more information/tips on this ?

[EtherealN]

Foxwxl has it right. The seeker on the ET isn't much better than what you have on the WVR "dogfight missiles". In fact, if memory servers right, it's the exact same seeker. This means that head-on you'll be seeker-limited with the ET to the same range as a dogfight missile, roughly. (Adding a little extra because the 73's and such do have better seeker than energy, so to speak.)

 

My own tests allowed me to launch from low-to-high with a tail-aspect at 8nm+, and a good bit further from co-altitude. Head-on aspect gave me as low as the 4nm area. (I don't have the notes from that session on hand though, so take those as rough indicators.)

[Aliboy]

The seeker locks on to a heat signature so then if you are head on with some one and he was heading towards you full burn and you were on idle wouldn't your ET be able to get a better heat signature lock before his ET gets a lock is what I meant.

[GGTharos]

Ah, in that case yes. On the other hand, his radar missile will reach you just fine.

[Aliboy]

Well It could come in handy if the bandit is a Su-27 who outta ER's like you :)..anyways I know its bad idea to go up against those Low Mig-29's with just ETs these days when you really don't know what the hell their carrying before almost everyone would take 2ET 2R77 so you could at least have some idea when they run out of actives I just asked this question so I know how to make the best use of ET. So now I guess I have to be chasing in EOS under 20K to avoid the bandit getting radar lock warning and then fire at 12k thanks.

[foxwxl]

In FC2 R-27ER/EM is a much better weapon than the ETs for H2H BVR~

[Fahhh]

Indeed it is, however throttling to idle might help you when an ET is already on its way towards you. Idle + flares, change of trajectory could save you when you're already within the no-escape-window-zone. However, it's more luck than anything else. It's best to try and not get that close, and try to engage and kill at longer ranges, or at least force the bandit to defend himself, then press on him and close in for a heater.

[RIPTIDE]

Hi is there anything I can do to maximize R27ET range and get LA quickly like approaching the target at a different angle or different altitude or for example If your head on with someone and you turn your engines to idle shouldn't you get LA first if hes afterburner on.Can anyone who has tested it out please give some more information/tips on this ?

Let it off before LA. 15kmish (200% dist of LA BTW for non AB Mig at head on ;)) should be enough with nose to nose, Non AB target. And to maximise success light him up a bit by firing off a ER/77. If he engages AB, he'll be in trouble.

Edited May 31, 2010 by RIPTIDE

[Aliboy]

Well before I made this post this happened I was chasing someone around 20K in EOS and I knew he had AWACS support but I thought when this guy turns back towards me during his turn I'll fire an ET and then break away but what happened was I did not get any LA during his turn around and he ended up about 13k in front of me I couldn't resist anymore so I override 2 ET and brake hard left only to get an hit by R-77. Well I learned my lesson now I just use it to sneak up on people instead of scaring them with an ER which usually doesn't hit and they go full burn away or worst yet they turn towards you and send some send some active missiles...but thanks for the tips.

[RIPTIDE]

Well before I made this post this happened I was chasing someone around 20K in EOS and I knew he had AWACS support but I thought when this guy turns back towards me during his turn I'll fire an ET and then break away but what happened was I did not get any LA during his turn around and he ended up about 13k in front of me I couldn't resist anymore so I override 2 ET and brake hard left only to get an hit by R-77. Well I learned my lesson now I just use it to sneak up on people instead of scaring them with an ER which usually doesn't hit and they go full burn away or worst yet they turn towards you and send some send some active missiles...but thanks for the tips.

Seriously though, if you aim it for his nose, with a bit of luck, it will guide after launch.

[GGTharos]

... You mean 'unless he's smart enough to have flares out or make even a slight course correction'.

[EtherealN]

I'm not sure relying on "luck" is a tactic I would recommend when it comes to combat... :P

[RIPTIDE]

Now boys. I'm not advocating any tactics. I'm simply stating that one can Launch override and the ET will guide if all the pieces are in the right place... so to speak. :P Do do disagree or agree?

[Sov13t]

From personal experience, there are times when the bandit is very eager to dive, and creates a steep pitch angle and is trying to hit the deck with full burners... this gives enough of an angle to follow up an ER shot with an ET shot if you get LA, we are talking D=<25km. Success rate of these shots is questionable but if that bandit tries to notch at the wrong time or cranks a bit too hard... splash goes the bandit.

 

Food for thought anyway.

Edited June 1, 2010 by Sov13t

[foxwxl]

Yep ET can still play MADDOG, but the possibility is very very low. ET can only capture a head on target at 8KM average within a 3° cone; that's mean if the target is directly heading at you and doesn't maneuver a bit and you MADDOG your ET very carefully then the ET may hit, otherwise the MADDOG ET is just a heavy ROCKET.

 

By the way , when firing from head on aspect, the ET can NOT resistant too much flares , the anti IR-JAMMING ability is much poorer than FC1.

[vanir]

Okay I'm confused, why is the maximum effective range of the ET listed in publications as around 70km? (50km for the 27T)

 

Is that for like, firing at a large scrubfire or an exploding fireball? Does that happen often in RFA?

Or do they mean like drop it from an 70km height and if you stand directly below it, it should hit you?

 

 

So what's the range on the ER (120km is typical publication, 27R is 70km), is it like 25km?

 

so all that extra size compared to say an AIM7 or 120, what is it doing exactly?

with such poor success rates and overstated range capabilities, how exactly are these an improvement over 60's era missiles like the R23/60?

how does an AIM54 reach targets 180km away when an R27ER can do what, no better than a Sparrow? The ET no better than an Archer?

 

I don't get it.

Is this like a nudge-nudge, wink-wink, yeah Russian missiles are so bad and american phallics large and powerful propaganda kind of thing, like petting a moron on the head?

 

Or is the long burn motor of the ET/ER/EM is an allegory for "just kidding"?

[RIPTIDE]

No. Range stated is for employments from high altitude and I presume loft trajectory. And ya, ER is the 'Long Arm' in the SIM and is reflected by how its used. The ET, is still very deadly. When the radar gets notched up, you still have thermal lock very often, and the ET is the deal maker in these circumstance and as has been said, in chase scenarios. The AIm-54, just like the R-33 reaches these ranges becasue it is a very big missile with a big, ultra long burn, and again loft trajectory.

[asparagin]

Okay I'm confused, why is the maximum effective range of the ET listed in publications as around 70km? (50km for the 27T)

 

What good is a phonecall mr. Anderson, If you can not speak?

 

-- The ET can fly 70 Km (or whatever), but it's seeker can not find the target at that range. You can override and fire it, it will go straight, leaving the probability to acquire, when in range minimal.