Verifying correct procedure for taking aim

[lineman55]

Im a noob to this helicopter and have been practicing for a week now and I beleive I have it understood on taking aim in a hover.Correct me if Im wrong please..

Im stablized in a hover ,all trimmed,locked target but reticule (spelled right?) is not on target yet..auto target pressed,by releasing auto hover for a moment, yawing to get the reticule over the locked target or at least a close as possible and then retrim rudder,auto hover back on and slight adjustments to hold target in sight and then fire.

I do this because while in auto hover getting a yaw adjustment is tough.Im fighting to keep it held but if I let go it goes back to where it was when I set auto hover on.Is this the correct procedure? I seemed to have figured this out and with all the reading I have been doing Im not sure if this is the best way.:smilewink:

[EtherealN]

You should not have to disengage auto-hover. Rather you would either use auto-hover or pedal input to yaw your helicopter into a desired position and then use the trimmer to input this new attitude to the auto-hover system.

[power5]

I just use auto turn to target button on aim panel. I get to hover pointing in general direction of target. Slew shkval around till I find my target. Lock on, then engage auto turn to target. Helo puts target in sight and I fire. Turn off button and find new target, or keep button on and helo will turn as you slew.

[lineman55]

Thanks guys..I will try that tonight. I felt it had to be a bit more simple then the way I was doing it

[Bucic]

Thanks guys..I will try that tonight. I felt it had to be a bit more simple then the way I was doing it

There are check lists (step-by-step) in the extended manual. See below.

An effective rookie introduction

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[*]download the new, extended manual from http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/ Downloads -> Manuals (log in first)

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[*]Get the training working/substitute for DCS BS 1.0.2 (training has been removed by the patch due to track file playback issues)

• Get video versions of training missions and producer's notes videos at http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/ Downloads -> Videos
  
• YouTube channels: Eagle Dynamics http://www.youtube.com/user/eagledcs, Producer (Matt Wagner) http://www.youtube.com/user/wagmatt
  
• Baal's training missions menu mod at File Exchange -> -> Filter: Game - DCS Black Shark 1.0.2 -> DCS: BS v1.0.0 Training Tracks v.1.1 AND Training Menu Fix
  

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[*]watch selected producer's notes videos on the above topics - http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/ Downloads -> Videos

 

 

On top of that there's a \Missions\Tracks\Demo\Area Defense.trk track that shows an interesting engagement.

Edited November 18, 2010 by Bucic

[EtherealN]

One thing you can have a look at and practice with a bit is the desired position indicator box on the HUD when in auto-hover - while in auto-hover you get that little circle in the HUD (though I think this declutters when you go weapons active - I'm a bit foggy though since I almost never use auto-hover) and it will also have a little box. Make an incorrect entry into auto-hover such that you'll be drifting from your location of entry, and then tap the trimmer and you'll see that box reset respective to the circle. This box basically indicates the position (from above) that your autopilot is trying to maintain a hover at, and while in this mode the trimmer becomes an input mechanism to give the auto-pilot new directives.

 

I find that the easiest way to learn how this works in such a way that it becomes intuitive is to "do it wrong" a few times and try fixing it while using that trimmer input.

[lineman55]

I find trying to turn with autohover on it can get wild when your rudder reaches a certain point.With AH off..smoother ,more controlled rotation .but the key to doing this way is you have to have the bird trimmed well prior to going into AH.

[lineman55]

Well, last night I spent hours doing the shooting range mission and in the beginning while in auto hover the reticule was centered on the the birds nose,the target was locked just off to the left and auto turn when activated would not do anything and for the life of me every time I used the helmet sys to designate my target the auto turn would turn torwards it but never line up close enough even after I tweaked the shkval sight and locked target. Then for some reason as my weapons were depleting with a few missiles left..it started to line up directly on my locked target!

Is there a bug or something that Im not aware of? I have the 1.0.2 installed. It made the firing much more effective once it started to cooperate...so I launched the mission again and it did the same in the beginning ,not lining up with auto turn and shortly after all went well with it lineing up.

Mabe Im inadvertantly hitting a certain key press???? I watched the videos very closely and I followed his moves carefully.Read the manual about targeting also.

Question: How precise do you have to get the rudder trimmed PRIOR to seting auto hover on?

Im starting to think this is my issue.I now set the line as Im slowing down,nose up to where it slowly sinks into dead center so its as small as possible then hit auto hover, once settled reset trim and auto hover till the little box is centered with no line extending in any direction and I believe thats where my problem was.I wasnt as careful before and noticed the line leaning to the left prior to hitting auto hover,leaving me to believe the system was fighting the rudder setting to much.

Edited November 18, 2010 by lineman55

[Dejjvid]

When im in AH. I select ground moving target, auto turn to target, ungage the skhval, lock the target, select Vikhrs. Then i use RUDDER to move the reticule if necessary. Then press and hold release weapon button.

[Bucic]

Well, last night I spent hours doing the shooting range mission and in the beginning while in auto hover the reticule was centered on the the birds nose,the target was locked just off to the left and auto turn when activated would not do anything and for the life of me every time I

Two basic things:

1. If you can't do neither of the operations (aiming/auto hover) learn them separately.

2. Post a track, as short as possible OR with time locations you'd like us to take a look at.

 

I can pick your case up today at about 20:00 CET - we can go through it using teamspeak 3. I think 104th won't mind if you use one of their channels for an hour ;) Just have the check lists for firing Vikhrs and Auto hovering handy. I'm out of shape myself, so don't worry (I do few flight hours every month or so). We're going to struggle together.

 

I would usually check if you have RTFM before such an event but it's a special, limited offer.

Edited November 18, 2010 by Bucic

[lineman55]

Before I drag you into my problems...physicly.can you verify for me that what I am doing with the rudder trim ,setting very precisely (trimming) can make the difference?

(If it is set prior to auto hover on, not perfectly centered?) can effect how it tries to align itself with the locked target..but comes up short

Edited November 18, 2010 by lineman55

[Dejjvid]

ATT won't place the reticule perfect. In 90% of the times, you must use rudder to adjust.

[lineman55]

When im in AH. I select ground moving target, auto turn to target, ungage the skhval, lock the target, select Vikhrs. Then i use RUDDER to move the reticule if necessary. Then press and hold release weapon button.

 

I have to say..when it was working I didnt have to use ANY rudder! It aligned up perfectly (so to speak) Im just trying to figure out how and why it does sometimes and sometimes not. Just trying to narrow it down.:thumbup:

[Bucic]

Before I drag you into my problems...physicly.can you verify for me that what I am doing with the rudder trim ,setting very precisely (trimming) can make the difference?

(If it is set prior to auto hover on, not perfectly centered?) can effect how it tries to align itself with the locked target..but comes up short

Not without a track :P

[Haril]

Rudder trim affects the final position of an Auto-Turn-To-Target attempt. So does wind, for that matter. It's unlikely to always be spot-on, so get used to adding a little rudder to finish the line up.

[lineman55]

Alright,..I couldnt take it any longer...connected my pedals from my Bell 206

cockpit and it made a whole lot of difference.Night and day on assisting in getting myself on target.I was using the Saitek x52 twist for rudder just to see if it was workable..just grief. All is good now...moving on to other ventures

about this beast.Thanks for all the help! well responding group in this forum.

Very helpful and knowledgable.

 

see ya in the field soon ...:pilotfly: