Chill31 Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 I dont have DCS: A10 yet...Going to get it eventually though. In the mean time, I was wondering if the ability to drop multiple GBU-12s and guide them to different targets with the ATP is in the game? If not, can you release multiple GBU-12s and have them impact the same laser spot? Couldnt do this in Falcon 4 AF, so just wondering if its possible now in DCS A10...
nomdeplume Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 TGP can only designate one target at a time, so you can't guide to multiple targets simultaneously. Multiple bomb releases are possible and they'll guide as best they can to the same spot.
DocSigma Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 Are you thinking about JDAM munitions? DCS does employ GBU38/31 IAMs. You could designate multiple targets using the TGP and release multiple JDAMs in succession which will guide on those different designated targets. Ryzen9 5800X3D, Gigabyte Aorus X570 Elite, 32Gb Gskill Trident DDR4 3600 CL16, Samsung 990 Pr0 1Tb Nvme Gen4, Evo860 1Tb 2.5 SSD and Team 1Tb 2.5 SSD, MSI Suprim X RTX4090 , Corsair h115i Platinum AIO, NZXT H710i case, Seasonic Focus 850W psu, Gigabyte Aorus AD27QHD Gsync 1ms IPS 2k monitor 144Mhz, Track ir4, VKB Gunfighter Ultimate w/extension, Virpil T50 CM3 Throttle, Saitek terrible pedals, RiftS
J3ff Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 Original post. http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=59540 If that helps any.
Chill31 Posted January 14, 2011 Author Posted January 14, 2011 If you ripple LGBs with enough time in between weapons, you can guide 2 LGBs to different targets as long as they are close enough together. Since it seems DCS A10 will at least guide multiple LGBs to the same spot, I suppose it might be possible to slew them around in the sim as well. Some one should try it with 1 LGB. Get a point track on one spot, release, and then slew to a new spot near by and see where you get an impact.
SmokeyTheLung Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 have tried without success System specifications: Computer, joystick, DCS world, Beer
DocSigma Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 I don't see how this is possible with LGBs. Don't LGB's essentially guide on the high intensity focused Laser point. If you spot one target with one laser release then spot another target release another bomb on a different target then you would lose guidance on the first bomb or maybe the first bomb will begin guiding on the second laser spot. I guess you would need independent lasers on the aircraft or multiple FAC's on the ground laser spotting for you, but i don't know if this is possible in DCS or IRL. Ryzen9 5800X3D, Gigabyte Aorus X570 Elite, 32Gb Gskill Trident DDR4 3600 CL16, Samsung 990 Pr0 1Tb Nvme Gen4, Evo860 1Tb 2.5 SSD and Team 1Tb 2.5 SSD, MSI Suprim X RTX4090 , Corsair h115i Platinum AIO, NZXT H710i case, Seasonic Focus 850W psu, Gigabyte Aorus AD27QHD Gsync 1ms IPS 2k monitor 144Mhz, Track ir4, VKB Gunfighter Ultimate w/extension, Virpil T50 CM3 Throttle, Saitek terrible pedals, RiftS
sobek Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 I guess you would need independent lasers on the aircraft or multiple FAC's on the ground laser spotting for you, but i don't know if this is possible in DCS or IRL. LGBs are tuned to a certain laser code, i'm guessing that pulse frequency or pulse width modulation is used. Theoretically the TGP could lase one point with laser code 1 and another point with code 2 in rapid succession. I am however unsure if TGPs possess the machinery necessary to steer a laser beam that rapidly. The TGP-heads maximum angular velocity seems a little low for such functionality. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
Chill31 Posted January 15, 2011 Author Posted January 15, 2011 (edited) The laser shoots with a user specified code. The bomb is set to search for that code. If you drop 5 bombs (hypthetically) with the same code, they should all guide to the same laser spot. At any rate, you should be able to slew one bomb off your original designated target by a significant miss distance. If you cant do that, then I'm guessing you cant work the multiple bomb scenario. If you want to see the slew rate for targetting pods, search on youtube. Edited January 15, 2011 by Chill31
SmokeyTheLung Posted January 15, 2011 Posted January 15, 2011 (edited) slew rate set to "1" (fastest), ripple distance set to 500', ripple quantity set to 2. I was able to slew the 2nd bomb to a different spot, but with very limited accuracy. Considering the fact that this thing can fly the JDAMs, there isn't a worthwhile reason to ripple LGBs onto different targets Edited January 15, 2011 by SmokeyTheLung System specifications: Computer, joystick, DCS world, Beer
OB1 Posted January 15, 2011 Posted January 15, 2011 If two targets are close enough together, make sure your TGP designation is set to latch and with sufficient altitude release the first LGB 8-10 seconds before the CCRP optimum release point then release the second on cue. At this point override the TGP designation with a manual latch. After the first hit slew to the second target... It works.
OB1 Posted January 15, 2011 Posted January 15, 2011 yep, it is difficult, many factors have to be correct to pull it off
Chill31 Posted January 15, 2011 Author Posted January 15, 2011 Yes, its not an easy attack, but it goes a long way to show how detailed this sim is.
Chill31 Posted January 30, 2011 Author Posted January 30, 2011 Another question here: What effect does cloud obscuration have on DCS TGT Pod? can you lase through clouds? Can you lase through smoke/debris?
HellMutt Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 Laser does not go through smoke or clouds, that's why tanks use smoke as defensive measures, so, even if the TGP's IR can see targets through clouds or smoke, you can lase them. If the target is stationnary, you might try hitting with a JDAM. Regards, Bart i7 8700K @ 4.4Ghz, Radeon RX 6800, HP Reverb, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, MFG Crosswind pedals, Thrustmaster MFD's
HellMutt Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 Laser does not go through smoke or clouds, that's why tanks use smoke as defensive measures, so, even if the TGP's IR can see targets through clouds or smoke, you can lase them. If the target is stationnary, you might try hitting with a JDAM. Regards, Bart i7 8700K @ 4.4Ghz, Radeon RX 6800, HP Reverb, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, MFG Crosswind pedals, Thrustmaster MFD's
StrongHarm Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 I noticed that you can change from Laser to IR to Both on the TGP. I'm currently revisiting the manual in deeper RTFM goodness, but I wonder if anyone knows if this applies to LGBs.. and if not what the practical use actually is. Disclaimer: I am an amateur RTFM lobbyist... but I was just hoping on some discussion on the subject. Laser does not go through smoke or clouds, that's why tanks use smoke as defensive measures, so, even if the TGP's IR can see targets through clouds or smoke, you can lase them. If the target is stationnary, you might try hitting with a JDAM. Regards, Bart It's a good thing that this is Early Access and we've all volunteered to help test and enhance this work in progress... despite the frustrations inherent in the task with even the simplest of software... otherwise people might not understand that this incredibly complex unfinished module is unfinished. /light-hearted sarcasm
WarriorX Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 As far as I know, the IR fuction of the TGP is used to visually mark targets for NVG wearing pilots. This aid's in situational awareness for fellow NVG wearing pilots that for any reason, can not identify the target in question. It does not apply to the LGB side of things. (It looks really cool! if you have not seen it for yourself in operation, definitely check it out!) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "Is that you John Wayne?.......Is this me?" Full Metal Jacket //My Mission Data Card//My Cold Start Checklist //Clearing a Hung Store Tutorial //CDU Offset//Asterisk Error Correction Procedure//JTAC UTM Coordinate Entry Tutorial//JTAC 9 Line Lat Long Coordinate Entry Tutorial
Chill31 Posted January 31, 2011 Author Posted January 31, 2011 The IR marker allows the pilot to mark a point on the ground and then have the JTACs talk them onto target via "move North, stop. East, stop. Thats your target." in the absence of VDL. It could serve to put another NVG equiped pilot's eyes on target as well. @HellMutt, is your post in reference to DCS A10 only or to real world laser ops? The problem with smoke/debris is that wind can blow it and potentially disturb your laser shot for follow up bombs. When combined with the results of my orginal post, you can see how employing multiple LGBs could become difficult under the right conditions. (again, I'm very eager to get DCS A10, its just a few months down the road for me) the smoke cloud from a 500lb weapon lingers and can obscure the target area for laser designation. I'm wondering if this effect is in DCS A10
SonofEil Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 Say you have two LGB's. Change the default laser designation code for one of the bombs, and also on your own TGP laser. Then have a JTAC laser a target with the default code. Drop both bombs, laser with TGP, and you should hit two different targets with two different LGB's at more or less the same time! Poof! Right?! i7 7700K @5.0, 1080Ti, 32GB DDR4, HMD Odyssey, TM WH, Crosswind Rudder...
Chill31 Posted January 31, 2011 Author Posted January 31, 2011 Say you have two LGB's. Change the default laser designation code for one of the bombs, and also on your own TGP laser. Then have a JTAC laser a target with the default code. Drop both bombs, laser with TGP, and you should hit two different targets with two different LGB's at more or less the same time! Poof! Right?! The first 2 pages resolve this question. My new question is whether or not clouds/smoke block the laser from designating the target in DCS A10.
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