JCook Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 I've been playing the instant action missions and I often have trouble with the unguided bombs. I can't seem to modify the profiles - for example switching from single to pairs or low-drag to high-drag. Also choosing CCIP instead of the selected (default) CCRP. I've done the tutorials several times and re-read the combat section in the manual. What am I missing? Is this behavior a part of the instant missions? It seems like I should have full control to edit profiles and bomb as I see fit. Its a very complex simulation - maybe I've missed something. Thanks for any help. John
BiPod Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 I've been playing the instant action missions and I often have trouble with the unguided bombs. I can't seem to modify the profiles - for example switching from single to pairs or low-drag to high-drag. Also choosing CCIP instead of the selected (default) CCRP. I've done the tutorials several times and re-read the combat section in the manual. What am I missing? Is this behavior a part of the instant missions? It seems like I should have full control to edit profiles and bomb as I see fit. Its a very complex simulation - maybe I've missed something. Thanks for any help. John I had trouble getting my changes to "take" at first as well. Don't forget to click the flashing save button after making your changes. Also if you change profiles without naming them, your save will be lost when you select another profile. This is a tricky bit. (Ie, you must use your changes straight away or lose them). If this is not your problem I will be happy to give you a walkthrough. BiPod. 1
BiPod Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 (edited) P.S. I don't think you can change the drag. You are meant to be able to do it with the fusing but it doesn't work for me. I haven't tested this since an early beta. Maybe it has been changed. I don't know if this is a bug or if I'm just doing it wrong, but I think it's a fault. EDIT: This is not a fault. See post 19 Edited February 7, 2011 by BiPod
Weaponz248 Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 hmmm lets see here. Assuming you have MK-82 AIRs. Than there are 2 possible ways to handle this. First, from the DSMS page, click PROF in the upper left corner than find the munition of choice and click view prof. From there you can modify whatever you want lets say we want to drop CCIP instead of CCRP. Click the button on the bottom right corner that say CCRP and it will change to CCIP. Also in the top rightish corner we have our arming option N/T N or T. Dropping an AIR in N/T will result in a high drag drop dropping an AIR in N will result in a low drag drop. Ok once you have made your changes dont forget to hit the flashing save prof button in the top center of the MFD. after that all should be good select the prof and it should work. Option 2 would be manual selection. use the master mode to select your desired mode CCIP/CCRP then hit the OSB next to the bomb you want to drop and BAM your set!
JCook Posted February 6, 2011 Author Posted February 6, 2011 Thanks BiPod - I hope to give this another try today - not sure how much free time I'll have - we've got the SuperBowl today back in the U.S. One thing though when I click on the 'rotary' button to switch from 'single' to 'pairs', for example, the value doesn't actually change to 'pairs'. It is like that for all the parameters they aren't changing. - John
BiPod Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 One thing though when I click on the 'rotary' button to switch from 'single' to 'pairs', for example, the value doesn't actually change to 'pairs'. It is like that for all the parameters they aren't changing. - John Hmmm...Odd. I haven't seen this one. It should work. Check you are clicking the correct OSB. Parallax error may cause you to click the wrong one if you are viewing from above. You may also be on the wrong page but I don't think so. I'll check to see if there is a "frozen" page, and get back to you. Anyone else have an idea? BiPod
JCook Posted February 6, 2011 Author Posted February 6, 2011 Weaponz248 - Thanks for the input. I think I am following the steps you laid out - not sure if I have click the save option - but I definetly do not see the value of any of the parameters changing when I click on the rotary buttons.
luza Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 . Dropping an AIR in N/T will result in a high drag drop dropping an AIR in N will result in a low drag drop. This results in the message INVALID FUSING ... :helpsmilie: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
JCook Posted February 6, 2011 Author Posted February 6, 2011 BiPod -Thanks. I don't think its a Parallax error - but I will try again later today and make sure. Its strange because I don't have this issue with the unguided bomb training tutorial - just in the instant mission.
BiPod Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Its a very complex simulation - maybe I've missed something. Ok. In a quick test I couldn't find a "frozen" screen for unguided bombs but... Are you sure you are editing an unguided bomb not a GBU-38 JDAM? You can't change any of the simple settings for this and must use CCRP. Clicking OSB's will have no effect. From memory, there are no unguided bombs in the early quick missions. Check this when you get the opportunity. Cheers.
Weaponz248 Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 gonna fire up the old sim and give her a go sit tight back in few hopefully with more insight!
Weaponz248 Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 (edited) Weaponz248 - Thanks for the input. I think I am following the steps you laid out - not sure if I have click the save option - but I definetly do not see the value of any of the parameters changing when I click on the rotary buttons. John- can you get a screen shot of your DSMS and your profile page. So i can see your sgl/prs rotary and your load out? Also your talking about the RIP always saying 1 right? @luza hmmm invalid fuzing going to have to dig into the books to see that one. ED quite possible may not have modeled that which if they didnt would be a bummer that option made the AIR pkg very versatile. Edited February 6, 2011 by Weaponz248
JCook Posted February 6, 2011 Author Posted February 6, 2011 Thanks guys - I do appreciate your time in helping me. I may not be able to troubleshoot this today - getting ready for a SuperBowl party here at my house. I do recall that one of the bombs I was trying to 'edit' was a GBU-38 JDAM - so pilot error I guess on that one. I don't remember the other bombs - however I was flying the first two instant combat missions - so whatever those loadouts are... As BiPod has indicated there may not be any unguided bombs in these instant missions - so again probably pilot error. I'll try and re-fly these tonight. Appreciate your efforts - you guys are always quick to help out. John
BiPod Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 I am certain there are no unguided bombs in those 2 missions. So I will call this resolved unless someone disagrees. As to the "invalid fuzing" issue, I have the same problem. Yours in simming, BiPod.
Weaponz248 Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Yeah im with pod on this one I think we got Johns little issue solved! Good to know.
kaiserb_uk Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 (edited) According to the manual 'Invalid Fuzing' [sic] on the MK82AIR is caused by selecting Nose fuse while 'Fixed High' is selected. Been buggin me as well - haven't figured out what 'Fixed' refers to yet though. Edited February 6, 2011 by kaiserb_uk 1
Weaponz248 Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Well after a bit of looking into the issue here is what I have found. The bomb is visual modeled as a nose fuze but its code model is a tail only fuze(not sure if that makes sense) So the jet things it only has a tail fuze and no nose fuze. Therefore we can not select N we con only select N/T or T. So we can only utilize this bomb as a AIR and not as a LD. As a loader I have loaded a few AIRs and when you loaded it you hook the AIR pkg laynard up to the Tail solenoid. So you can only drop it as an AIR
Weaponz248 Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 @john your RIP qty will change if you do the following Hit the number on the UFC and then hit the RIP QTY OSB and bam it changes!
BiPod Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 (edited) "You da man" kaiser! Got it to work. Really just a RTFM issue. *******EDIT: Now I am not rushed******* DSMS-->INV-->Mk-82 AIR FIXED HI-->BOMB-->Mk-82 AIR-->click CONFIG FIXED HI to CONFIG FIXED LO-->Load Ignore nose fusing on left. It is not modelled in the sim. Ignore red conflict indication. Click STAT and select Mk-82 AIR FIXED LO (it will be in red) -->PROF-->N/T to Nose-->SAVE Don't forget to make it a new profile if you want the changes in the STAT page to be permanent. ****** The following is retained for "historical" reasons only. No need to read END OF EDIT ********** Have to go so here's a quick and dirty method: Select weapon in DSMS->INV->Bomb->rack->Mk-82AIR->OSB to FIXED LO EDIT:Forgot to add -> LOAD (I really did rush this, sorry I have to go) (I left fusing at left to none, but perhaps you should change this?) Then RET and reselect the weapon and change fusing on view pro page then save (phew). Notes: -Ignore the red "this is wrongly loaded" indication. -I didn't see if the bombs exploded -I blew myself up a couple of times on release, so I am still doing something wrong. -Sorry if I made a mistake in the "quick and dirty" above. I am rushing. I won't post more until I know what I am doing. (Don't want to mislead anyone). Cheers all and thanks, BiPod. Edited February 8, 2011 by BiPod
kaiserb_uk Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Excellent. As repayment maybe you could ask your cricket chaps to go easy in the World Cup eh?
Weaponz248 Posted February 6, 2011 Posted February 6, 2011 Good stuff pod and Kaiserb! As i turns out Im an idiot! LOL just figured it all out too with wags help also but pod was right it was a RTFM. I just wasnt thinking about the INV page. Oh well i know better for next time. Thanks for the help gents!
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