yonyz Posted February 10, 2011 Posted February 10, 2011 Hi, I've started playing the campaign today. I'm in the first mission of the Deployment campaign, and I lost visual on the friendly Mi-24 after 10 minutes of following it. 1. Is there a way to know where it is without visually seeing it? If yes, I would assume it's using the ABRIS - but how? 2. The talking guy mentions headings we should turn to - like heading 280, 065, etc... How do I see those heading on the HUD? What I see on the HUD is number like 26, 27, and such. I did read the HUD section of the manual, BTW, so please no "RTFM" comments.
Conure Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 (edited) Hi mate, welcome. 26 = 260 which (pardon me if you already know) means 10 degrees from West (which is 270). Again excuse me if you're familiar but 360 is North, 90 is East, 180 is South, 270 is West. These translate to 36, 09, 18, and 27. You'll also note that runways are numbered..This reflects the heading. For example runway 27 means 270 degrees in azimuth so the runway is in a Westerly direction. You can only see other Sharks on the DL (I may be wrong, it's a while since I've played the shark). It's important to not rely too heavily on your instruments, as with all flight...Situational awareness is everything, and most of your time should be spent aware of where your friendly is whilst maintaining control of the chopper, scanning for enemies and ensuring you're at correct altitude for terrain etc etc...Welcome to DCS: Black Shark, if you master this then you're better than me :) Edited February 11, 2011 by Conure Intel i7 6700k, Asus GTX1070, 16gb DDR4 @ 3200mhz, CH Fighterstick, CH Pro Throttle, CH Pro Rudder Pedals, Samsung Evo 850 SSD @ 500GB * 2, TrackIR 5 and 27" monitor running at 2560 * 1440, Windows 10.
Henchman14 Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 (edited) One way you can try is scanning the sky with your shkval on 7x mag. Good for picking up helis that are just beyond visual range. Use the helmet mounted sight and the designate key (O) to move large camera distances, then use your curser keys for small movements. If you hold down designate while you move the HMS, the shkval camera will move with it. Edited February 11, 2011 by Henchman14
yonyz Posted February 11, 2011 Author Posted February 11, 2011 So on the HUD, heading of 065 would be the middle of 06 and 07, right?
Haukka81 Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 So on the HUD, heading of 065 would be the middle of 06 and 07, right? Yes :book: Oculus CV1, Odyssey, Pimax 5k+ (i5 8400, 24gb ddr4 3000mhz, 1080Ti OC ) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
yonyz Posted February 11, 2011 Author Posted February 11, 2011 OK, I've managed to lose sight of the other pilot once again, but I just followed the map on the ABRIS and landed where I took off from, just like the other pilot. However, there wasn't any "Mission Successful" thingy or anything. The game is still running at the same spot, and I'd like to know what to do to finish the mission. Like I said in the original post, it's the first mission of the Deployment campaign.
DTWD Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 I really don't understand you how you could loose him, just keep him in visual contact, if you do that you won't loose him. Remember to trim to keep the forward speed as close to his as possible, then just turn at his turning points. If your far enough back you should be able to see him make a full turn before you have to, and thus you can make sure you keep behind him. If you leave it long enough that he has completed his turn you can then just cut the corner, keeping him either in your left/right and centre window at all times. Remember to not do too much to the collective when your turning, or you may end up a lot higher/lower than him and loose him that way. EDIT: This is all a lot easier if your using a HOTAS and some sort of head track software, as you can look around far quicker, basically glancing in directions, which means your eyes off target time is limited as much as possible. Regards [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
yonyz Posted February 11, 2011 Author Posted February 11, 2011 I don't see how having an HOTAS would help. My Thrustmaster t.16000m has a short slider which I use for controlling the Collective. As for controlling the view, I use the hat switch. It's not great, but it's OK, sort of. Anyway, for now, I'd like to know more about finishing this mission. I was able to follow the route eventually... Just need the finishing touch. :D
DTWD Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 The reason for the HOTAS is in the name and in the post, less time with your head down equals more time looking out which in turn equals more situational awareness. Basically you can keep an eye on the bloke. The mission tells you what to do, land. So land, shut down and you should be prompted that it's all good. At that point exit the mission. Regards [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
yonyz Posted February 11, 2011 Author Posted February 11, 2011 Oh, shut down. That I did not do. :D But now I'm gonna have to fly it for the third time. Oh well, more visual awareness practice. As for the HOTAS, what do you mean by less time looking down? Looking down at what?
Conure Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 The mission completes before shut down. As soon as the AI aircraft lands ASAIK. You just need to wait for him. If you keep on the correct heading at the correct speed changing heading on time, you should automatically keep close. Another trick albeit one which ruins realism is to press F2 then zoom out and search for him that way...Or..Tap F2 a few times til it changes camera to follow him and work out his position from there. Intel i7 6700k, Asus GTX1070, 16gb DDR4 @ 3200mhz, CH Fighterstick, CH Pro Throttle, CH Pro Rudder Pedals, Samsung Evo 850 SSD @ 500GB * 2, TrackIR 5 and 27" monitor running at 2560 * 1440, Windows 10.
Conure Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Oh, shut down. That I did not do. :D But now I'm gonna have to fly it for the third time. Oh well, more visual awareness practice. As for the HOTAS, what do you mean by less time looking down? Looking down at what? I disagree that a HOTAS particularly helps with the mission, and your built in throttle will be fine. The HOTAS comes into play when you're simultaneously entering autohover, adjusting trim, setting laser on, slewing the Shkval and locking targets whilst entering copilot datalink info - That is where the HOTAS comes is useful. (it is also what, AFAIK, makes the Shark almost useless in real life sorties :D) The best thing for making this mission easier (though this mission is as easy as BS gets) would be track IR. No messing about with HATS. By looking down, he means head down in instruments checking engine health, fuel qty, weapon systems status, Abris, Shkval etc etc. IRL pilots do an instrument sweep (correct me if I'm wrong with combat aircraft) in which the pilot will make a quick scan across of all instruments very quickly (through a lot of practise) ensuring all systems are healthy. Still, on this mission there is almost no need to go head down, it's a bad habit that simulators tend to teach due to the poor visuals of a flat screen monitor. It's hard to tell your altitude in game due to depth perception limitations, however IRL you should know your altitude (roughly) by looking out the window. Intel i7 6700k, Asus GTX1070, 16gb DDR4 @ 3200mhz, CH Fighterstick, CH Pro Throttle, CH Pro Rudder Pedals, Samsung Evo 850 SSD @ 500GB * 2, TrackIR 5 and 27" monitor running at 2560 * 1440, Windows 10.
Henchman14 Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 (it is also what, AFAIK, makes the Shark almost useless in real life sorties :D) Yeah, having to reach up high to hit the flare dispenser button is utter FAIL. 1
yonyz Posted February 11, 2011 Author Posted February 11, 2011 Yeah, a TrackIR would help, but I can't afford one now. How about FreeTrack? Does it work with Black Shark? Cause I could put some 50 dollars into some cheap camera and LEDs.
Henchman14 Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 FreeTrack is interesting. I have a webcam on my laptop, but I haven't tried it yet.
Conure Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 (edited) Yeah, having to reach up high to hit the flare dispenser button is utter FAIL. And not only reach up, but reach up with your RIGHT HAND!! Rofl Edited February 11, 2011 by Conure 1 Intel i7 6700k, Asus GTX1070, 16gb DDR4 @ 3200mhz, CH Fighterstick, CH Pro Throttle, CH Pro Rudder Pedals, Samsung Evo 850 SSD @ 500GB * 2, TrackIR 5 and 27" monitor running at 2560 * 1440, Windows 10.
yonyz Posted February 11, 2011 Author Posted February 11, 2011 FreeTrack is interesting. I have a webcam on my laptop, but I haven't tried it yet. Just know that making your webcam work for head-tracking requires modification of the webcam. It's simple, but I think it makes the webcam black and white only.
Conure Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 Yeah, a TrackIR would help, but I can't afford one now. How about FreeTrack? Does it work with Black Shark? Cause I could put some 50 dollars into some cheap camera and LEDs. Apparently Freetrack is great. Though I think this may be more a case of perseverance. Without wanting to cause offence, the fact that you didn't know anything about headings/instrument scanning implies you're reasonably new to the hobby. The Shark is a difficult beast to master and will take hundreds of hours until you're proficient. I actually suck at it, I spent hours learning the systems and no time flying, so whilst I can describe what everything does, ask me to put it to practise and I'm useless.. The A-10 on the other hand..I can empty my Maverick racks faster than John Wayne can empty his 6 shooter ;) Keep practising. Unlike the A10, the systems are very simple, it's like a polar opposite in that with the A10, systems proficiency means you're reasonable capable (if you can handle a cessna)...In the Shark, you can be brilliant with the systems but if you cant bring that thing from 220 knots to a stable hover behind cover in a few moments, you're almost useless! Intel i7 6700k, Asus GTX1070, 16gb DDR4 @ 3200mhz, CH Fighterstick, CH Pro Throttle, CH Pro Rudder Pedals, Samsung Evo 850 SSD @ 500GB * 2, TrackIR 5 and 27" monitor running at 2560 * 1440, Windows 10.
yonyz Posted February 11, 2011 Author Posted February 11, 2011 (edited) I can bring the helicopter to a hover, but it takes me more than a few seconds, and I find it especially hard to land on helipads. BTW, I finally finished the mission. I got the Mission Accomplished thingy as soon as my leader initiated his landing. However, I did continue and land as well, cause finishing a mission while still in the air seems like cheating to me. And yes Conure, I am new to the hobby. Edited February 11, 2011 by yonyz
Henchman14 Posted February 11, 2011 Posted February 11, 2011 God knows how many hours I've put into flying it now, and its still a bitch to fly. Landing takes practice, practice, practice. Another good thing is to practice trying to land and fly with only one engine. And then theres auto rotation, where you try to land with NO engine. :p Those Igla's are too dam good.
power5 Posted February 12, 2011 Posted February 12, 2011 Try to stay lower than the HIND. Easier to spot him from below. Still not sure how you keep losing him. How long are you out of sight before you start looking around for him? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Aaron i7 2600k@4.4ghz, GTX1060-6gb, 16gb DDR3, T16000m, Track IR5 BS2-A10C-UH1-FC3-M2000-F18C-A4E-F14B-BF109
yonyz Posted February 12, 2011 Author Posted February 12, 2011 Try to stay lower than the HIND. Easier to spot him from below. Still not sure how you keep losing him. How long are you out of sight before you start looking around for him? Maybe you haven't read all the posts, but I did mention I finished the mission. I was able to follow him all along, but I did lose sight of him for 3 seconds about 4 times. It was when he was pretty low, which made him hard to spot in the terrain. So I spotted him again when he climbed. It's much easier to spot him with the sky as the background.
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