TGP switching "aiming" point.

[Itkovian]

Salutations.

 

I've been flying the first mission of the Devil's Cross campaign as a kind of training mission (since it really has a good distribution of elements, and it is no loss to simply restart the campaign), and I am encountering a bit of frustration that I was hoping some of you could help me with.

 

Basically, in about three occasions so far, I had my targets in the TGP's sight (some Zeus, usually) and getting ready to prosecute them, when going TMS Up Long (to set SPI) somehow caused my TGP to go flying off to some other location leagues from my targets, leaving me to try ad reacquire my target all over again (which is quite a challenge in this mission).

 

So I was wondering, is there some weird situation (like different SOIs) that causes TMS Up Long (or even short, but I don't think that was the case) would cause the TGP to switch aiming point?

 

It almost feels like the TGP was resetting itself to the Streerpoint as SPI, but I wasn't going TMS Down Long.

 

Thank you.

 

Itkovian

[SmokeyTheLung]

sounds like you might have a mapping conflict between the "china hat" switch and the "TMS" switch.

[Itkovian]

How so? I am using the HOTAS Warthog, and didn't mess with such mappings. And why would a conflict cause the TGP to switch "target" like that?

 

Itkovian

[S77th-konkussion]

Basically- you have mapped your physical HAT to the key command for china hat aft long. At least- it sounds that way.

 

To resolve- How have you programmed your buttons? In DCS menus or your stick software?

 

If DCS- verify that the correct key command for that HAT is assigned to that HAT movement.

 

If stick software- You did not clear the Default commands that DCS assigns on it's own- and now both DCS and your profiling software are trying to send a command at the same time. They are fighting for control of the button.

[zamboni]

How about this.

You slew the TGP to your target and get it all lined up, in a hurry you then switch to HUD as SOI (coolie hat forward) so you can change you weapon to Mav, (before or after you switch to the MAVs) while HUD is as SOI you hit TMS up long (You may have forgotten to set as SPI and then remembered to do so after you had switched to the HUD). This sets SPI wherever the HUD cursor and when you hit china hat forward the TGP slews to the HUD cursor....

 

I find it very easy to forget where I have SOI set. I can be looking straight at the TGP and totally ignore the NOT SOI warning.

 

It's possible that you had set SPI in the TGP, then switched to HUD, or maybe the MAV as SOI and then hit TMS forward long where it would Then set the SPI where the HUD cursor or the Mav is pointing....then china hat forward slews it off to some other point.

 

I try my best whenever targetting with the TGP to do TMS up short, TMS up short, TMS up long in succession to to area mode/point mode/set as SPI, so I dont forget to do so and then not hit TMS forward long again until I finish weapon delivery.

 

It may be difficult to tell just exactly what you were doing short of posting a .trk file so someone can look at it.

Edited April 12, 2011 by zamboni

[Itkovian]

How about this.

You slew the TGP to your target and get it all lined up, in a hurry you then switch to HUD as SOI (coolie hat forward) so you can change you weapon to Mav, (before or after you switch to the MAVs) while HUD is as SOI you hit TMS up long (You may have forgotten to set as SPI and then remembered to do so after you had switched to the HUD). This sets SPI wherever the HUD cursor and when you hit china hat forward the TGP slews to the HUD cursor....

 

I find it very easy to forget where I have SOI set. I can be looking straight at the TGP and totally ignore the NOT SOI warning.

 

It's possible that you had set SPI in the TGP, then switched to HUD, or maybe the MAV as SOI and then hit TMS forward long where it would Then set the SPI where the HUD cursor or the Mav is pointing....then china hat forward slews it off to some other point.

 

I try my best whenever targetting with the TGP to do TMS up short, TMS up short, TMS up long in succession to to area mode/point mode/set as SPI, so I dont forget to do so and then not hit TMS forward long again until I finish weapon delivery.

 

It may be difficult to tell just exactly what you were doing short of posting a .trk file so someone can look at it.

 

Aye... I think that's what may have happenned... but I'm pretty sure it went and slewed away wen I did TMS Up Long, not China Hat Forward Long.

 

Is it possible that, if you do China Hat Forward Long (slaving to SPI), and then by mistake do TMS Up Long while the HUD is SOI, that it will slew the TGP to the new SPI set by the HUD without having to do China Forward Long again?

 

Itkovian

[PlainSight]

Check out your control mapping and be aware of your actions. Keep your tgp as soi and create spi from there. This process must become a second nature to you, there's no room for mistakes, like setting your hud as soi, if that was the case.

[Itkovian]

Check out your control mapping and be aware of your actions. Keep your tgp as soi and create spi from there. This process must become a second nature to you, there's no room for mistakes, like setting your hud as soi, if that was the case.

 

Aye. It does make the first mission of Devil's Cross a good training, IMO. You can't fly high because of Migs all over (there's an ongoing air battle up there, with respawning fighters), target spotting is quite challenging, and there's air defense a-plenty.

 

So now I'm just flying it over and over again until I can coordinate myself well enough to prosecute the first tank column I find (which sometimes takes a long time, mind you), and then head home (there's way too much russian hardware out there for me to stick around and strafe stuff).

 

Of course, I'm not sure how to actually win that mission anyway, mind you. Must I destroy all formations I see? Or does taking out some of the targets and making it home safely suffice?

 

Itkovian