firestick22 Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 I know I saw a few posts about problems with ground handling... can't find em now. I'm running 1.1.0.7 on Windows 7 and using Saitek Combat Pedals. I can't get down the ramps or runway in a straight line. I've check my axes, calibrated, tuned my rudder axis every way imgineable, with no luck. It seems like every rudder movement is exaggerated and over corrected. I push a little left, it goes too far left, I give it a little right, it goes too far right, etc, etc, etc. Tweaking the axis just results in frustration. My control setup (Saitek pedals, tm warthog) works perfectly in MFSX. What am I doing wrong?
kylania Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 I have the Saitek Flight Pro pedals and needed a pretty drastic curve to get them to work well for me. When I get home I'll take a screenshot of it. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Christmas Cheer - A Landing Practice Mission : Beta Paint Schemes : HOTAS Keyboard Map : Bingo Fuel - A DCS A-10C Movie
firestick22 Posted September 13, 2011 Author Posted September 13, 2011 I sure would appreciate that! Its making me crazy!
MTFDarkEagle Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 Yeah I too find the NWS on the ground... sensitive.. Add some curve, try it, satisfied? Yes: ok! No: more curve. Try experimenting untill you find a value you find pleasent. Lukas - "TIN TIN" - 9th Shrek Air Strike Squadron TIN TIN's Cockpit thread
firestick22 Posted September 13, 2011 Author Posted September 13, 2011 Dead zone, no dead zone... curve, no curve... played with saturation... then probably a hundred tries at different combinations and I'm still in the weeds. I'd blame the pedals but they work flawlessly in MS Flight Simulator. But thanks for the reply!
aaron886 Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 Well, to be fair, I don't this isn't necessarily unrealistic. It doesn't feel too wrong to me. You'd be surprised how awful many learning pilots are at taxiing, even with direct-linkage on the nosewheel.
MTFDarkEagle Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 I agree aaron. However, I imagine it can be a bit comforting to have a better "feeling" rudder input. Lukas - "TIN TIN" - 9th Shrek Air Strike Squadron TIN TIN's Cockpit thread
VincentLaw Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 I usually turn my nose wheel steering off before going full throttle down the runway since it is very sensitive. As long as you are at approximately the right heading, you wont really need any more than your rudder can do anyway. Left or right wheel braking can also work as a substitute/supplement for nose wheel steering (MSFS does this by default). That's probably best saved for emergencies though, such as a nose wheel failure, but you can actually taxi and everything without nose wheel steering on. If you have dual throttles you can vary those to help stay in a straight line too. All that said, I would say the most appropriate fix is a curve, as Kylania and MTFDarkEagle said. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
MTFDarkEagle Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 On takeoff I usually turn off my NWS at around 50-60 knots. Lukas - "TIN TIN" - 9th Shrek Air Strike Squadron TIN TIN's Cockpit thread
kylania Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 Here's my curves for the Saitek Flight Pro Pedals. For really sharp 90 degree turns I have to really push the pedals, but slight adjustments feel just right to me. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Christmas Cheer - A Landing Practice Mission : Beta Paint Schemes : HOTAS Keyboard Map : Bingo Fuel - A DCS A-10C Movie
firestick22 Posted September 13, 2011 Author Posted September 13, 2011 Thanks kylania for the curve. And everyone for the suggestions. I've flown Cessnas, so I do know how to use the brakes to get around. But since this doesn't seem to be an issue with most, I suspect my system. These pedals are more like an "on/off" switch, like full on, full off... instead of having any exponential at all. I just touch right and I go full right, then try to correct for left and go full left! Maddening! But they work flawlessly in MSFS. So that's what's making me crazy!
miguelaco Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 Flying with HOTAS Warthog and Saitek Pro Rudder Pedals here with 20 curve on all axis. Works very good for me to improve ground handling and above all, air to air refueling :thumbup:
firestick22 Posted September 14, 2011 Author Posted September 14, 2011 Thanks miguelaco, and all. I just took out the small dead zone and adjusted as per kylania and it could be mental, but it seems better. I'm probably mental and just needed to vent my frustration. Now if I can just get this thing to land under 140 and stop blowing out the tires... LOMAC sure was nothing like this!
dok_rp Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 I too had that over-sensitivity problem when getting acquainted with the Saitek pedals. The default response curvature is indeed too steep. I've set mine to 31 and it's beautiful. Works great for minor corrections when diving for a gun-run, doesn't get too touchy when NWS is activated and gets the job done. My suggestion is to try with various curvature settings until you get one you feel most comfortable with. After that, it's all happy flying. :pilotfly: :smartass: :thumbup:
firestick22 Posted September 14, 2011 Author Posted September 14, 2011 I had some time today so I retuned the rudder axis to 30 and the brakes to -20. Did a whole bunch of taxi run arounds and touch and goes, what a difference. I do think knowing that others had the same problem and getting everyone's prompt advice got me on the right path. Or taxiway... Thanks all!
Fuzzysham Posted September 15, 2011 Posted September 15, 2011 I too had the same problem when I got these pedals. I kept trying to taxi and would keep popping my tires or when landing seriously screw something up. Once I discovered curves, it helped immensely. Wish I knew what curvature is closest to the real A-10.
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